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I think it's pushing it really...
But then again, considering this...some may think otherwise.
Posted by iwishart on December 03, 2007 at 10:45 PM in Islamofascism | Permalink
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Religion and comedy!
December 03, 2007 at 11:44 PM
"...considering this... some may think otherwise."
Some bigots with neither a grip on logic, nor any sense of restraint, may well allow their personal prejudice to connect completely unrelated events, yes. It was ever thus.
Psycho Milt |
December 04, 2007 at 06:09 AM
Yes I think its pushing it too - maybe not the most Christian response. However, the Qur'an and the life of the Prophet are not unrelated to the demonstrations, they form almost the entire basis of the Khartoum response.
Surely no-one is arguing that the arrest itself was in response to British/US foreign policy alone? Yes that was a component, however the over-riding influence was their religious beliefs. You may not "humiliate" (there's that word again) the revered prophet of Islam. Certainly one component was the paranoid conspiracy-theorising typical of Islam. The West wants to destroy Islam! Its the Jews! Its the Freemasons! Its the Pope who controls George Bush who is behind this attack on our sacred beliefs! We know this is simply idiotic, but many Muslims - including NZ Muslims - either outwardly confess it or inwardly place serious weight on it.
I have a copy of the Shafi'i branch of Sunni Islam's book "The reliance of the traveller". Shafi'i being one of the four main branches of Sunni Islam and I think (though I stand to be corrected on this) that school of jurisprudence that holds sway in the Sudan.
In the section under slavery the translators have declined to translate the Arabic as the circumstances of slavery no longer have any relevance to contemporary life.
An interesting twist as the Sudan is one place that can be proven to practice slavery over the Primal religionists, Christians and possibly even the black Muslims of the south.
And if we are to accept this statement by the translators, we also note that the such modern sections as applying the death penalty for leaving Islam; the need for jihad; the necessity of lying to protect a fellow Muslim from "an oppressor" (it is obligatory to do this); the subservience of women and even the direction in which to face while sitting for a poo and how to wipe one's bottom afterwards have been translated and we may therefore reasonably infer that these are still very much live topics for Shafi'is.
Think back to those old stories we barely remember from our childhood about how the British explorers and authoirites had to take extraordinary steps not to offend or inflame Muslim sensibilities. Ms Gibbons was only there a month before allowing the kids to name the teddy, somebody should have put her int he picture.
Maybe she actually believed the simple minded multi-culturalism being spouted back home that "really, we're all the same white liberal tolerant democrats underneath" and were it not for globalist imperialist US foreign policy and its misguided handmaiden of British foreign policy none of these unfortunate misunderstandings would be occurring?
Maybe her problem was she didn't then bother to acquaint herself with reality? Maybe she will in future though.
December 04, 2007 at 07:46 AM
Just found this cartoon - a good chuckle!
December 04, 2007 at 07:56 AM
Great minds think alike.
Danyl Mclauchlan |
December 04, 2007 at 10:41 AM
If naming a teddy bear Muhammed is offensive to Muslims and it's blasphemy to the Prophet Muhammed and to Islam. Surely then if that name is so holy and sacred then all those millions of Muslims called Muhammed is a blasphemy to Islam. Time they all received 40 lashes?
Acid Comments |
December 04, 2007 at 02:13 PM
Went to that WorldNetDaily link - I think the ads on the sides of the webpage sum them up pretty well - Zionist-promoting Christian fundamentalist conspiracy theorists into get-rich-quick schemes...
December 04, 2007 at 07:35 PM
I'm like a kid with a new toy...
"The reliance of the Traveller" states:~
"It is 'Sunna' (correct, recommended) to give the child a good name such as Muhammad or Abd al-Rahman ... or one of the names of the [25 recognised] prophets" beginning with Adam and ending with Muhammad. Unlike the prophets of Judaism and Christianity there are no women.
BTW I read that an financial amount can be paid for the accidental killing of a person to their family: the family of a dead Muslim woman get only 1/2 of that of a Muslim man, whereas the families of Jews & Christians get 1/3. Poor old Zoroastrians get 1/15. Talk about life being cheap...
As for "apostates" - those who leave Islam (which I was surprised to learn includes a Muslim being sarcastic over any ruling of sacred law or being heard to deny that "Allah intended the Prophet's message to be the religion followed by the entire world") their death is accepted as being completely necessary and no-one will look twice if you kill them.
How helpful it is reading their holy books to see what they believe - or at least, what they are not permitted to deny. Someone should have slipped one of these into the hands of Ms Gibbons when she got off the plane...
December 04, 2007 at 07:45 PM
Christianity and Judaism have female prophets?
I know of several female figures in the Christian and Judaic tradition but can think of none that are accepted as prophets.
I am sure many ought to be.
Peter Tashkoff |
December 05, 2007 at 01:00 PM
From a quick squizz at the concordance Peter:
Miriam, Moses' sister (Ex 15.20);
Deborah (Jdg. 4.4);
Huldah (2 Kings 22.14)
Anna (Lk 2.36)
All called prophetesses.
I recall a reference to a man in the NT whose daughters were prophetesses but I'm embarrassed to say that I can't find it just now.
Perhaps we might include Junias (Rom 16.7), which is a feminine name. There is a chance that Paul's description of her as being "outstanding among the apostles" may mean that she and Andronicus were themselves apostles. Apostilicity incorporates the ability, if not the office, of Prophet.
Then there is the matter of the Spirit's arrival at Pentecost (Acts 2.17-18) fulfilling Joel's prophecy that 'your sons and daughters willl prophesy' - yes, people can prophesy without being considered to operate in the functional office of a prophet, but we know that Jesus' mother, Mary was anmong an unknown number of women in the upper room on the day of Pentecost (Acts 1.14).
All the best,
December 05, 2007 at 05:11 PM
I am sure, with the benefit of hindsight, that these prophetesses may seem wize.
All religions get into prophesy and miracles.
Makes no sense whatsoever.
December 05, 2007 at 05:18 PM
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