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Ryan Sproull

They'll be forming committees to decide whether or not to agree to have a meeting in a few years to decide whether or not they're drowning, even while they drown.

Bloody useless.

baxta

Here's another unpublished report on Bali/

PostPosted: Sun Dec 16, 2007 1:28 am Post subject: Reply with quote
Note: The article quoted below is from "The Inhofe EPW Press Blog"
———————————————————————
BALI, Indonesia - The UN climate conference met strong opposition Thursday
from a team of over 100 prominent international scientists, who warned the
UN, that attempting to control the Earth's climate was "ultimately
futile." The scientists, many of whom are current and former UN IPCC
(Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change) scientists, sent an open
letter to the UN Secretary-General questioning the scientific basis for
climate fears and the UN's so-called "solutions." "Attempts to prevent
global climate change from occurring are ultimately futile, and constitute
a tragic misallocation of resources that would be better spent on
humanity's real and pressing problems," the letter signed by the
scientists read. The December 13 letter was released to the public late
Thursday. (LINK) The letter was signed by renowned scientists such as Dr.
Antonio Zichichi, president of the World Federation of Scientists; Dr.
Reid Bryson, dubbed the "Father of Meteorology"; Atmospheric pioneer Dr.
Hendrik Tennekes, formerly of the Royal Netherlands Meteorological
Institute; Award winning physicist Dr. Syun-Ichi Akasofu of the
International Arctic Research Center, who has twice named one of the "1000
Most Cited Scientists"; MIT atmospheric scientist Dr. Richard Lindzen; UN
scientist Dr. Vincent Gray of New Zealand; French climatologist Dr. Marcel
Leroux of the University Jean Moulin; World authority on sea level Dr.
Nils-Axel Morner of Stockholm University; Physicist Dr. Freeman Dyson of
Princeton University; Physicist Dr. Zbigniew Jaworowski, chairman of the
Scientific Council of Central Laboratory for Radiological Protection in
Poland; Paleoclimatologist Dr. Robert M. Carter of Australia; Former UN
IPCC reviewer Geologist/Geochemist Dr. Tom V. Segalstad, head of the
Geological Museum in Norway; and Dr. Edward J. Wegman, of the U.S.
National Academy of Sciences. "It is not possible to stop climate change,
a natural phenomenon that has affected humanity through the ages.
Geological, archaeological, oral and written histories all attest to the
dramatic challenges posed to past societies from unanticipated changes in
temperature, precipitation, winds and other climatic variables," the
scientists wrote. "In stark contrast to the often repeated assertion that
the science of climate change is 'settled,' significant new peer-reviewed
research has cast even more doubt on the hypothesis of dangerous
human-caused global warming," the open letter added.

robk

Baxta

Thanks for this useful list. I checked out Dr Vincent Gray, a NZ'er mentioned above and found this useful report of the Bali Bunkum

http://nzclimatescience.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=177&Itemid=30

What a gravy train of propaganda Global warming is...

John Boy

It must have been dead boring if even a freeloading politician couldn't stay until the end. I bet the delegates had a great time though getting all excited about nothing. Yep people, you're all really important - in your own minds. Now set an example and walk home. That would shut them up for a year or so.

Acid Comments

"What a gravy train of propaganda Global warming is..."


Yep. Al Goron and his mates will be laughing all the way to the bank and back!

peter

I have heard Al Gore speaking and read what he has written recently. He does remind me of Bill Clinton.

In fact he must be the greatest president the USA never had.

andrei

In fact he must be the greatest president the USA never had.

Surely you jest Peter?

That title almost certainly belongs to Wendell Wilkie

A great and honorable man.

Byron

Definition of hypocrisy: Gore blasts Bush for not ratifying Kyoto when he had 2 years to do it himself as Vice President...

Lloyd

One hundred scientists from around the globe.......Yep, 100, count them. Led by Australia’s very own Don Aitken, who as a ’social scientist’ has about as much expertise on climate change as I do, viz none. But their science is apparently infinitely better than the science of the thousands of scientists whose work informed the International Panel on Climate Change. No explanation is given for this distinction between good trustworthy scientists and bad lying scientists. Indeed, if you didn’t know better, you would think that the whole global warming idea is a creation of Al Gore, not scientists, and exists first, last and solely in a movie he made.

Deltoid is similarly cutting 3rd posting down

http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/global_warming/

"In the olden days to become a distinguished climate scientist you had to work hard, do lots of research and publish it in good journals. Now there's a quicker method. Put out a press release.

The International Climate Science Coalition (ICSC) has been denied the opportunity to present at panel discussions, side events, and exhibits; its members were denied press credentials. The group consists of distinguished scientists from Africa, Australia, India, New Zealand, the United Kingdom, and the United States.

The scientists, citing pivotal evidence on climate change published in peer-reviewed journals, have expressed their opposition to the UN's alarmist theory of anthropogenic global warming. ...

Taylor continued, "For example, ICSC scientist Dr. Vincent Gray recently published Unsound Science by the IPCC, which proves the main claims by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change are scientifically unsound. Dr. Gray is an expert reviewer for the IPCC and has submitted more than 1,800 comments on IPCC reports. He is an expert on the IPCC methodology and published Spinning the Climate.

You might think that with the reference to "peer-reviewed journals" above that Gray published "Unsound Science by the IPCC" in a peer reviewed journal, but no, it just means that it was posted on the web somewhere. "Expert reviewer for the IPCC" doesn't mean that they asked him to review material -- all it means is that he asked to see the draft report. The only real requirement to be a reviewer is to sign an agreement not to publicly comment on the draft. And yes, he submitted a vast number of comments on the draft IPCC reports, for example:

Insert afer "scenario" "even when some of them are patently ridiculous"

Like most of his comments this was rejected because he provided no basis for his suggested change. After reading a hundred or so of Gray's comments, I think the IPCC scientists who politely responded to each and every one of his 1,800+ suggestions, really really deserve their share of the Nobel.

If this post seems familiar to you, it may because I've recycled parts of my post from last year on the New Zealand Climate Science Coalition. That's because the International Climate Science Coalition is a recycling of the New Zealand Climate Science Coalition. They are run by the same group of New Zealanders and use many of the same scientists (Vincent Gray, Bob Carter, David Bellamy etc). Although they registered the domain for their web site last year (around the same time as they registered the one for the NZCSC), they've only just created a website -- Google hasn't even indexed it yet.

If you look at the ICSC delegation to Bali, you'll find that their spokesman is Christopher Monckton and that the only one they have who claims to be a climate scientist is David Archibald, author of The worst climate science paper ever of all time anywhere.

Fortunately, apart from the shameless hacks at the Investors Business Daily, the media has ignored the ICSC. Some bloggers are more easily fooled, with Glenn Reynolds, for example, accusing the UN of crushing dissent."

As he says, some bloggers are easily fooled.....

Acid Comments


Here's an additional follow up.

----------------------------

U.S. Senate Report: Over 400 Prominent Scientists Disputed Man-Made Global Warming Claims in 2007

Senate Report Debunks "Consensus"

Complete U.S. Senate Report Now Available:
Complete Report w/out Intro: (

INTRODUCTION:

Over 400 prominent scientists from more than two dozen countries recently voiced significant objections to major aspects of the so-called "consensus" on man-made global warming. These scientists, many of whom are current and former participants in the UN IPCC (Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change), criticized the climate claims made by the UN IPCC and former Vice President Al Gore.

Paleoclimatologist Dr. Tim Patterson, professor in the department of Earth Sciences at Carleton University in Ottawa, recently converted from a believer in man-made climate change to a skeptic. Patterson noted that the notion of a “consensus” of scientists aligned with the UN IPCC or former Vice President Al Gore is false. “I was at the Geological Society of America meeting in Philadelphia in the fall and I would say that people with my opinion were probably in the majority.”


This new committee report, a first of its kind, comes after the UN IPCC chairman Rajendra Pachauri implied that there were only “about a dozen" skeptical scientists left in the world. Former Vice President Gore has claimed that scientists skeptical of climate change are akin to “flat Earth society members” and similar in number to those who “believe the moon landing was actually staged in a movie lot in Arizona.”


http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Minority.Blogs&ContentRecord_id=f80a6386-802a-23ad-40c8-3c63dc2d02cb


Acid Comments

Here's an additional follow up.

----------------------------

U.S. Senate Report: Over 400 Prominent Scientists Disputed Man-Made Global Warming Claims in 2007

Senate Report Debunks "Consensus"

Complete U.S. Senate Report Now Available:
Complete Report w/out Intro: (

INTRODUCTION:

Over 400 prominent scientists from more than two dozen countries recently voiced significant objections to major aspects of the so-called "consensus" on man-made global warming. These scientists, many of whom are current and former participants in the UN IPCC (Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change), criticized the climate claims made by the UN IPCC and former Vice President Al Gore.

Paleoclimatologist Dr. Tim Patterson, professor in the department of Earth Sciences at Carleton University in Ottawa, recently converted from a believer in man-made climate change to a skeptic. Patterson noted that the notion of a “consensus” of scientists aligned with the UN IPCC or former Vice President Al Gore is false. “I was at the Geological Society of America meeting in Philadelphia in the fall and I would say that people with my opinion were probably in the majority.”


This new committee report, a first of its kind, comes after the UN IPCC chairman Rajendra Pachauri implied that there were only “about a dozen" skeptical scientists left in the world. Former Vice President Gore has claimed that scientists skeptical of climate change are akin to “flat Earth society members” and similar in number to those who “believe the moon landing was actually staged in a movie lot in Arizona.”


http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Minority.Blogs&ContentRecord_id=f80a6386-802a-23ad-40c8-3c63dc2d02cb


Acid Comments


Here's an additional followup:

---------------------------
December 20, 2007
U.S. Senate Report: Over 400 Prominent Scientists Disputed Man-Made Global Warming Claims in 2007

INTRODUCTION:

Over 400 prominent scientists from more than two dozen countries recently voiced significant objections to major aspects of the so-called "consensus" on man-made global warming. These scientists, many of whom are current and former participants in the UN IPCC (Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change), criticized the climate claims made by the UN IPCC and former Vice President Al Gore.

The new report issued by the Senate Environment and Public Works Committee’s office of the GOP Ranking Member details the views of the scientists, the overwhelming majority of whom spoke out in 2007.

Even some in the establishment media now appear to be taking notice of the growing number of skeptical scientists. In October, the Washington Post Staff Writer Juliet Eilperin conceded the obvious, writing that climate skeptics "appear to be expanding rather than shrinking." Many scientists from around the world have dubbed 2007 as the year man-made global warming fears “bite the dust.” In addition, many scientists who are also progressive environmentalists believe climate fear promotion has "co-opted" the green movement.

Paleoclimatologist Dr. Tim Patterson, professor in the department of Earth Sciences at Carleton University in Ottawa, recently converted from a believer in man-made climate change to a skeptic. Patterson noted that the notion of a “consensus” of scientists aligned with the UN IPCC or former Vice President Al Gore is false. “I was at the Geological Society of America meeting in Philadelphia in the fall and I would say that people with my opinion were probably in the majority.”

This new committee report, a first of its kind, comes after the UN IPCC chairman Rajendra Pachauri implied that there were only “about a dozen" skeptical scientists left in the world. Former Vice President Gore has claimed that scientists skeptical of climate change are akin to “flat Earth society members” and similar in number to those who “believe the moon landing was actually staged in a movie lot in Arizona.”


http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Minority.Blogs&ContentRecord_id=f80a6386-802a-23ad-40c8-3c63dc2d02cb


John Boy

Careful Acid. If the truth gets out before the new carbon tax regime is in place they'll be in a quandry. Can't have that.

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