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ZenTiger

These symbolic gestures are just stupid. They did it with the Eiffel tower, and Sydney staged one last year on a Sunday evening. It didn't change anything.

Far better to work out a way for all office lights in every city to be switched off when not in use - that could be 8 hours a night times many floors times many buildings times many cities of savings. And ongoing, not one time.

Getting distracted with these feel good gestures are just a waste of time and resource. The people organising this need to think bigger. Our Ministry for the Environment could be coming up with better ideas.

Acid Comments


'These symbolic gestures are just stupid. They did it with the Eiffel tower, and Sydney staged one last year on a Sunday evening. It didn't change anything.'

Pathetic drivel.

As one commentator pointed out yesterday. Most of OZ's power is from coal generation not from hydro generation as is the case here so the exercise is even more worthless!

Besides if all the lights on the planet were shutdown for an entire day/night, it wouldn't have any effect on reducing socalled 'Global Warming.'

fugley

I intend to keep my house lit up, a beacon of light in these dark times.

Zen, what you propose re office blocks cab be easily done by installing motion sensors - no motion, no light.

Psycho Milt

Given that most of our electricity is generated from renewable sources, it's pretty stupid even as a symbolic gesture.

But I do have to take issue with this:
...it may well turn out that the fifth Labour government's greatest contribution to the future prosperity of New Zealand's citizens will be an unreliable and expensive power system.

You'd rather they demonstrated wisdom and foresight by sticking with coal, oil and gas? Those are only "cheap" because we're transferring the environmental costs on to future generations - if we had to pay our own way, it wouldn't look so cheap at all.

They're also finite resources, so they're "cheap" and "reliable" in the same sense that moas were a cheap and reliable food source for Maori a few centuries back. The problem with that kind of "cheap" and "reliable" is that eventually you stick the last moa in the oven and then you've got a big problem. Not to mention, posterity looks back on you with the assessment "What a bunch of wankers." So, if you haven't the self-restraint as a culture to avoid reaching the point where you're bunging the last moa in your last oven, you'd better have sorted out some other means of getting food by then - some less "cheap," less "reliable" but suddenly rather necessary means.

Personally, I'm glad Labour isn't waiting til the last bird's hit the oven. But no doubt by next year we'll have a Nat govt with a new Max Bradford to "improve" the power industry, who'll no doubt tell us "F*ck off, there's still some moas left." Such wisdom! Such foresight!

fugley

PM, you underestimate human ingenuity and inventiveness.

The moa may all be gone, but are we starving? No, there are other food sources, and almost all of them are renewable.

Saving electricity is a crock, as there is no way we can ever run out of electricity, there are so many ways to generate it.

Its a bit like saving paper. What, we're running out of trees? I don't think so, we just plant some more.

Just like those who rely on the crutch of god for their daily lives, Greens rely on nature to provide, eschewing human intervention and denying Man's genius.

dad4justice

The genetic diversity of Neanderthals allows rare mutations like psycho milt and fugley to become fixed .

baxta

So P.M. You think there is greater logic in mining our coal transporting it over the Southern Alps and exporting it to India for them to use to generate electricity while we import the heavy machinery from Europe to construct windmills...I'm doing my bit I have one of those low energy use bulbs in the toilet and I'll switch it off for an hour in solidarity with the cantabs.

Psycho Milt

"...while we import the heavy machinery from Europe to construct windmills..."

Whereas we have all the gear to construct a coal-fired power station right here already?

Flip it around, Baxta - you'd rather we burnt all that revenue-generating coal to make electricity, when we already have a continuous supply of wind and water to do it? Why?

Fugley, read it again - I agree with you that saving electricity is pointless, because the bulk of it is already renewably generated in NZ. It's the fossil fuels that will run out, not the electricity.

Dad4Justice - I refer you to this post. Give yourself time, you'll figure it out eventually, I'm sure.

dad4justice

Psycho - can we arrange a meeting face to face thank you, because you and me got some straight talking to do ?I will leave all my concerns about you until we sit down in a formal or informal personal meeting . Understand !!Show some mettle and accept my invitation !!

Please do this psycho .

dad4justice

Give yourself some time, but I am serious psycho, as I have had it with your types !!

Respectfully
Peter Burns

George

PM We have an abundant source of energy, an abundance of engenuity and we are worrying ourselves into a fetal ball about using it???

It seems almost like someone complaining about a lack of money when they have money sitting there.
Global warming is an hysteria, its followers hysterics and its arguments are hystrionics

ZenTiger

Acid, I don't follow - why call my comment "Pathetic drivel"?

Fugley - re motion sensors, yes there must be a few relatively simple and low cost options to not use resources when they are not needed (renewable or not), and my point is it would be far better to work towards meaningful actions than symbolic gestures.

My motivation here is nothing to do with the Al Gore bandwagon, and more to do with the logic in sustainable practices.

robk

Reminds me of those ridiculous "save 10%" of power campaigns when we had low hydro electric lakes.

Who can save 10%? Those who are habitually wasting power! But they don't care.

Who cares about saving 10%? Those who habitually conserve power... but they are already careful.

stan

The genetic diversity of Neanderthals allows rare mutations like psycho milt and fugley to become fixed .

Psycho - can we arrange a meeting face to face thank you, because you and me got some straight talking to do ?I will leave all my concerns about you until we sit down in a formal or informal personal meeting . Understand !!Show some mettle and accept my invitation !!

Please do this psycho .

Give yourself some time, but I am serious psycho, as I have had it with your types !!

Respectfully
Peter Burns

dad4justice you truly are pathetic. i'd feel sorry for you if you weren't such an abusive ****

dad4justice

stan - email me please off group as I know you live in Christchurch and I will visit you today . That you can guarantee. My email address is dad4justice@gmail.com .
Thank you stan . I await your email with much anticipation .Thank you stan , lets see how you go face to face matey !!

Call me a #### to my face matey .

Yours faithfully
Peter Burns

robk

ZenTiger - I think Acid was saying the symbolic gestures were drivel, not your post.

stan

already done you loser, don't you pussy out like your pathetic legal threat

and in case you're too full of hot air to respond to my e-mail and carry out your threat, my address is 11b George Street, Upper Riccarton

you truly are the most retarded person i've ever known

fugley

d4j, after you've met Stan, why not drive on to my place?

55 Nayland St Sydenham.

dad4justice

Thank you both .

fugley

well, while d4j is off to deal to Stan and myself, the est of you should have a good afternoon without his venomous comments.

Enjoy your debates as much as Stan and I will enjoy Mr Burns'company

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