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KevOB

Klarkville is a police state. Next cameras on every corner.

dad4justice

Unbelievable foolishness from a deluded government that has completely lost the plot. Putting police at the school front gate will just backfire and cause more resentment. It’s just more ambulance at the bottom of the hill mentality from a misfit government. What did the socialists think would happen when they started their orchestrated campaign to destroy the traditional family way back in the 1970's? I told you so !

Why don’t the deceptive government freaks look at the triggers that bring about this anti –social behaviour?

All respect for government went out the door once radical feminists implemented their insidious agenda through the murky clouds of political correctness and efficient spin-doctor management!

Andrew Davies

Remember the lie? Getting rid of corporal training was going to make schools less violent places!!

It reminds me of what God said when He pointed out His wisdom was totally different to ours.

John Boy

"All respect for government went out the door..."

For some of us who don't need to be bossed about useless fusspots in sandals the respect never got in the door in the first place.

googoocachoo

Despite all the impressive venom being thrown at the Gummint here, none of you have considered the blindingly obvious solution.

Privatise education. That way schools can operate according to their own philosophy and values, teach their own curriculum and enforce their rules using their methods. Or parents can educate their children themselves. Or churches and community groups can do it.

peter

Notwithstanding a totally contradictory opening post from Andrei

This is a predictable reaction from Extreme Right Wing Christian fundamentalists.

A police presence at these schools 15 hours a week is a brilliant idea and for all the reasons that are given in this morning's NZ Herald.

Daddy 4 - this is NOT an ambulance at the bottom of the cliff. It is more like a safety net for kids starting to fall. In lots of cases it will be a fence at the top.

Morose Andrew Davies makes another of his boring observations. (You must be fun at a party Andrew!)The police are NOT on the site to target violence alone.

Oh how it hurts ERWCFs to see this government implement ideas that they wish the right wing had thought of!! Ha Ha Ha!!

And then "googoo" who is gaga enough to want to divide our nation into lots of little anarchic right wing bits by advocating private education. Googoo - there are too many of these outfits up and running already.

And I hate to report this, but there is good respect for the government, although Winston Peters is right to observe that this might be in spite of the media that he described as "National Party floozies". Right on Winnie!

dad4justice

"Daddy 4 - this is NOT an ambulance at the bottom of the cliff. It is more like a safety net for kids starting to fall. In lots of cases it will be a fence at the top."

More piffle from a nitwit.What is Liarbour doing to address appalling child abuse statistics ?

You are fundamentally insane. Is your real name Helen ,Karen or Heather ???

andrei

Notwithstanding a totally contradictory opening post from Andrei,

I only wrote it that way to annoy you Peter. Possibly you missed the reference - but perhaps its not topical enough in light of recent events in the South Dunedin electorate.

This is a predictable reaction from Extreme Right Wing Christian fundamentalists.

And this is a totally predictable response from you complete with the phrase "Extreme Right Wing Christian fundamentalists"

Danger Mouse

"You are fundamentally insane. Is your real name Helen ,Karen or Heather ???"

Is your real name Peter Burns? And what does that have to do with anything?

peter

Andrei

Your personal gravitation from the extreme right wing towards the centre does not annoy me. When you zoom out to the extreme left as with the backing for Keith Locke you do confuse your followers however, as you found out from the feedback!

You refer to "sexually deviant teachers out there who get their rocks off by physically discipling the children in the care".

I would maintain that withing the closeted world of Roman Catholicism and other heavy-handed Christian denominations the problem is far worse.

Maybe it is a god trying to say something to us, but it just so happened there was a case to day and (regretabbly?) it involved our old friends .. yes....................... the Exclusive Brethrens:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/thepress/4402949a6009.html

Abuses were from 1951 to 1985 > thats about 35 years. Religion did him a lot of good.

Perhaps every church needs a policeman too.

Andrew Davies

"Morose Andrew Davies makes another of his boring observations. (You must be fun at a party Andrew!)The police are NOT on the site to target violence alone."

Cheers Peter. If you find my posts too boring then do not read them. Simple really.

Googoo. Totally spot on. The true role of schools in the social area is to reinforce the values parents want their children to be exposed too. That's why those like Peter hate educational institutions that are not under the thumb of bureaucracy and cannot be politicised.

Acid Comments

"And then "googoo" who is gaga enough to want to divide our nation into lots of little anarchic right wing bits by advocating private education. Googoo - there are too many of these outfits up and running already."


Have to agree with you on this one, Peter.

What pisses me off is the huge amounts of taxpayer money which is already being given to 'private schools', at the expense of many other schools which are struggling and aren't getting the govt funding allocated to them which they're entitled too!

baxta

I think the idea is well worth a try. My reservation is that the constables have had their powers so emasculated that they may fail to project the authority needed to be effective. They may also be undermined by radical teachers and civil rights visitors..A Police District did try something similar on a part time basis about twenty years ago.Each Constable adopted a school or college. It was very effective and enjoyed by Pupils, teachers and the constables who in addition to their duties put in much voluntary time at their adopted school.

ropata

Maybe the schools should take the kids for the whole week and spare the parents the bother of feeding them, teaching them right from wrong, or disciplining them. Lazy parents and nanny state form a feedback loop that make families redundant. All hail Kiro and Bradford!

ropata

peter seems to be suffering a brain hemorrhage -- those ERWFC's aren't following the script! Next thing you know they will think like independent human beings! Inconceivable.

Acid Comments


Some high schools in S.AK would just about need a whole police force allocated to them to keep the pupils inline.

Major before and after school youth gang brawls with upto 100-300 pupils envolved in fights. Threats and assaults on teachers lives, etc.

Maybe a separate police force along the lines of the US system of 'Campus Cops' could be implemented by the Ministry of Bozo Education. LOL.

peter

I will ask one question though.

Why is De La Salle College included when Helen Clark is asking publicly why all schools cannot be like De La Salle (academically)?

Also, why is McAuley College included .. like de La Salle it is an integrated Roman Catholic school!

These institutions are supposed to be at least 90 per cent left footers!

A good question for Lucyna.

Andrew Davies is "Mr Practical" himself when he says "The true role of schools in the social area is to reinforce the values parents want their children to be exposed too [sic]" The values of parents are diverse across the whole spectrum. And why should I assume that my values are suitable for my offspring coming into a totally different society to the one I was brought up in? Turn off the auto pilot and THINK Andrew!

As for being politicised - private education is the worst of the lot AND you know it. They meet the needs of parents, not students. He who pays the piper etc.

ropata

I grew up in Papakura. Usually the 300 kids were only crowding around to watch the action. Admittedly that was in the 70s & 80s, in a different century. There's more Lomu-sized teenagers around these days.

ropata

so peter, you think taxpayers are just peasants, and their kids should be forcibly indoctrinated at state-controlled facilities? Thank you for your enlightened leadership.

Acid Comments

"They meet the needs of parents, not students. He who pays the piper etc"

Actually some private schools meet the needs of themselves and their 'overblown esteemed self-imagine' at the expense of some of their pupils and the parents.

One private upmarket highly esteemed non-christian school in S.AK goes to very 'deceitful practices' in artificially 'cooking the books' on it's high achieving record. One of it's practices is to deliberately 'delist' pupils from the school roll who fall behind their achieving expectations to artifically keep their high achieving record intact.

This particular school just had a number of new classroom blocks built all with taxpayer Ministry of Education $$$.

While in the same district a state school with around 300 pupils and also good overall academic record and struggling to make finances meet has been 'promised' $$$ by the same ministry for 3 yrs in a row for a new classroom, etc and then they don't deliver and backpedal. Only state schools in the same district being funded up to the 'eyeballs' are the ones with a large 'ethnic' pupil ratios.

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