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Deary Me. :-)

AL Gore and the IPCC are going to have to do some fancy doublespeak to explain this away.

Makes sense with the recent record cold Northern Winter. Places experiencing their first snowfalls in living or recorded memory. LOL!

fugley

Well, whenever you have the loonie left/greens in agreement with the rabid capitalists/business roundtable you just know there is a scam going on.

I am of the Left, the old fashioned Left that cared about people and I have never been a "global warming believer". The science just never did stack up, but, to give Margaret thatcher her due, she certainly set the hares a running on that one.

ropata

But "Global Warming" is old hat now. The current worry is "Climate Change"; meaning a loss of equilibrium in atmospheric processes, and a growing instability. In other words, nobody knows what the heck is going to happen, but if everyone turns off a few lightbulbs it will lower the temperature of the oceans!

Ken Bingham

2008 will be known as the year that the global warming hoax began to unravel. One consequence will be the major hit science is going to suffer when people ask how they could have been so wrong and why opposing opinions were purposely repressed. The answer of course is because global warming theory was joined with leftist ideology. Liberals glommed on to global warming with such enthusiasm because it fit so well in their world view. They could be like prophets of old foretelling apocalyptic destruction if their words were not heeded. It gave them a powerful weapon to wield against industries they consider evil such as energy and transportation companies. Any entity that produces green house gases are demons that must be vanquished or all is lost. Indeed global warming has gone from a theory to a religious cult that demands absolute fidelity to the cause. Any questioning of any tenet must be viewed as heretical and the infidel be silenced at all cost. We have seen many cases were reputations have been destroyed and funds dried up for scientists who dare challenge the orthodoxy. Even after the complete unraveling of global warming many on the left will not be able to let it go. When the left sees the world turn against them and reject global warming as just another example of man's arrogance and egocentrics, they will become more desperate and possibly even dangerous. When science eventually comes to the conclusion that they erred on global warming the cultists will turn on the very scientists they once relied on to validate their beliefs. It's not going to be a pretty picture but one thing for certain, the truth will come out.

david w

Where does it say 2007 was the coldest year in 100 years?

The graph actually shows that the very end of 2007 and Jan of this year were colder than recent years, but still a good deal warmer than the the early 90s and the long term average.

Let's not get alarmist shall we...

george

The modern equivalent of "I was never a Nazi" will be 'I never believed in global warming'

andrei

David W

Hyperbole mea culpa


In truth what does the global temperature really mean?

The graph of course shows the average temperature anomaly from the historical average.

Readings taken from all over the planet and averaged then added or subtracted from the historical average then the difference plotted on a graph .

And this clearly shows a precipitous and continuous drop over the past 12 months.

If instead of a precipitous drop it had shown an increase of this magnitude the News media would be all over it - the silence is deafening so far, as is the silence from people like Realclimate, Mark Lynas and Deltoid( Tim Lambert)who must have been aware of this for days. I've just checked again as I wrote this and all three sites a very quiet haven't posted anything new in days.

I am not sure what your position is on the climate change issue is but as thinking men we both know that somewhere on the planet just had the warmest January on record and somewhere else had the coldest January on record. The places where these events were recorded will be some little towns that nobody has ever heard of or cares about in all likelihood.

To me anyway, climate change is a fact of life we have to live with and can do little to control.

The only really meaningful measure of the earths temperature, I'd suggest, would be to get far enough away from it to be able to treat it as a point source and measure its black body emissions.

And to see how that is changing is we would have to have a time series of this measure.

As it is I think the methodology of averaging temperatures taken from all over the planet, with differing degrees of diligence regarding accuracy over both space and time is not very meaningful.

Meantime storms will come and go - there will be warm summers and cold winters.

Good years for growing wheat in Nebraska and bad ones. And when the Nebraska is having a bad year there is every chance that the Ukraine will be producing a bumper crop. So it goes.

And sometime in the future, a long time in the future hopefully, another glacial period i.e. ice age.

In the meantime I just want to carry on life as normal

John Tertullian

I seem to recall that the climate change fanatics were predicting about this time last year that 2007 would be the hottest year on record. Dear me. "Bel bows down. Nebo is stooping."

Or as Lord Byron put it,

"And the widows of Ashur are loud in their wail,
And the idols are broke in the temple of Baal;
And the might of the Gentile, unsmote by the sword,
Hath melted like snow in the glance of the Lord!"
JT

John Tertullian

I seem to recall that the climate change fanatics were predicting about this time last year that 2007 would be the hottest year on record. Dear me. "Bel bows down. Nebo is stooping."

Or as Lord Byron put it,

"And the widows of Ashur are loud in their wail,
And the idols are broke in the temple of Baal;
And the might of the Gentile, unsmote by the sword,
Hath melted like snow in the glance of the Lord!"
JT

John Tertullian

I seem to recall that the climate change fanatics were predicting about this time last year that 2007 would be the hottest year on record. Dear me. "Bel bows down. Nebo is stooping."

Or as Lord Byron put it,

"And the widows of Ashur are loud in their wail,
And the idols are broke in the temple of Baal;
And the might of the Gentile, unsmote by the sword,
Hath melted like snow in the glance of the Lord!"
JT

John Tertullian

I seem to recall that the climate change fanatics were predicting about this time last year that 2007 would be the hottest year on record. Dear me. "Bel bows down. Nebo is stooping."

Or as Lord Byron put it,

"And the widows of Ashur are loud in their wail,
And the idols are broke in the temple of Baal;
And the might of the Gentile, unsmote by the sword,
Hath melted like snow in the glance of the Lord!"
JT

peter

New Zealand farms almost North Cape to Bluff are currently experiencing the worst drought conditions in memory. Take a drive through the Waikato some time.

fugley

And, compared to planetary weather cycles, how long is "living memory"? And how accurate?

You are aware, I assume, that there were once annual ice fairs on the Thames? I bet the current inhabitants of London are happy THEIR forebears didn't "stop global warming".

maybe you're also aware that what are now mostly deserts in the Middle east were once thriving forests. What did carbon emissions contribute to that desertification?

Yes, the earth is warmer now that at times past, but the record clearly shows increased Co2 follows temperature rise, it does not precede it.

MrTips

New Zealand farms almost North Cape to Bluff are currently experiencing the worst drought conditions in memory.

Sorry Peter, having an 8 second retention doesn't count as memory...

peter

Warming is hurting our most important export sectors.

fugley

Peter, can you provide some evidence for that?

Our export sectors seem to be doing quite well, apart from pressure casued by a high $NZ.

ropata

New Zealand farms almost North Cape to Bluff are currently experiencing the worst drought conditions in memory.
Except for the floods in Northland, and the green grass of Canterbury, which I can see out the window right now!

John Boy

"Warming is hurting our most important export sectors."

Crap. Its economic mismanagement Peter - something Labour is especially good at. The wheels are falling off everywhere and I hear rumours from within that Helen is quite worried. So she should be.

peter

Fundamentalists are always good with rumours.

What specifically are you talking about John Boy?

Oh and what percentage of people are unemployed at present?

NZ is VERY well placed in dairy production with new investment all over the place.

No alternative government is going to do any better. Just forgot - who is the National spokesman on Finance? Not the former leader surely!

Onward I say. Lets not accompany Andrew back to the dreary 1990s.

John Boy

Yes Peter, dairying gets trotted out because there's stuff all else that is looking good. Dairying has its returns back to where they were about 10 years ago. Whoopee.

The other thing that has "boomed" is house prices. That's looking like its coming back to earth at last.

The last few years have been built mainly on borrowing and money go round trading rather than anything remotely useful. We may have high employment but thousands of those jobs are govt jobs where people we don't need are doing jobs that don't need doing. Pay rates suck for many.

Its pay back time and things are going to be tougher this year. You can only create so many more govt jobs - the pay for them comes from people producing stuff people want and both of them are just about taxed out.

No alternative govt will do better? I'm not sure, if we just dumped the whole thing and let the wonderful NZ talent for doing great things without the fringe bullshit I think we would do much better. Even the 1890's were more inspiring than the 1990's - very low tax, small part time govt, yet we built things great like the Main Trunk. You couldn't get a permit nowadays to build it in the time it took to actually build it (by hand) back then.

You can have all the gay driven social reform crap you want but that doesn't lift self esteem or put bread on the table. Onwards Peter, I'm not following.

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