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KevOB

I wouldn't stick my neck out on this one. God is sovereign and he has shown His wrath in the past. He has promised not to wipe humans from the face of the earth again, but has not promised less.

Scripture about the end times speaks of earthquakes to come (and weather disturbances). I would not be surprised about prophecy on this but time will tell. Certainly homosexuality and other sexual sins have caused trouble with God in the past. We do not have a licence to do as we please. Whether we acknowledge Him or not is irrelevant. He has written His laws within us and shown Himself to us in His creation. Only the blind and foolish take the risk of denying Him, the True God, as revealed to His people, Israel and through his only begotten Son, Jesus Christ.

KevOB

I wouldn't stick my neck out on this one. God is sovereign and he has shown His wrath in the past. He has promised not to wipe humans from the face of the earth again, but has not promised less.

Scripture about the end times speaks of earthquakes to come (and weather disturbances). I would not be surprised about prophecy on this but time will tell. Certainly homosexuality and other sexual sins have caused trouble with God in the past. We do not have a licence to do as we please. Whether we acknowledge Him or not is irrelevant. He has written His laws within us and shown Himself to us in His creation. Only the blind and foolish take the risk of denying Him. the True God as revealed to people Israel.

Jim

I agree with Andrei. It is very dubious theology to equate natural phenomena with God's wrath. Scripture makes it clear that if God is going to act directly against someone, as in the destruction of Sodom, he makes it clear by announcing it beforehand. This puts it into spiritual context for us. Without prophecy, natural events cannot be attributed specific spiritual purpose (although individuals can find meaning for themselves).

Jesus makes it quite clear in Luke 13:4 that being caught in a natural disaster is no indication of spiritual state.

Personally, I think that the correct christian response to a disaster is not "why did this happen?" but "How can I help?"

Ryan Sproull

Blaming earthquakes on sin is ridiculous of course,

Just a quick question. Is blaming cancer on sin ridiculous, and if so, what is the difference between the two.

ropata

In one of his documentaries of human weirdness, Louis Theroux visited the egregious Phelps clan, who blame homosexuals for everything, and claim "God hates fags". Idiots.

Ryan Sproull

Louis Theroux is fucking awesome.

david w

Secularists have a problem with the concept of sin, what they fail to grasp is God's laws are given to us for our own good.

This secularist has a problem with he concept of sin because it seems every branch of every religion has a different set of sins and it hardly seems fair to enforce the one set that happens to be most dominant at a given time upon people when, in likelihood, most of us don't really care if someone makes a three dimensional representation of Christ, engages in a homosexual act, or draws a cartoon depicting a profit in bad light.

But that's just me. Also, I'll put in another vote for the awesomeness of Mr Theroux

david w

And, to continue the theodicy thread from another post. Why does God let there be plate tectonics?

Rick

Luke 13:4 makes it quite clear that god has no patience with those who will not repent:

verse 4:

Or those eighteen people who were killed when the tower at Siloam fell on them, do you think they were more guilty than everyone else who lived in Jerusalem?

and to highlight the important part...

verse 5:

By no means! But I tell you, if you do not repent, you will all perish as they did!"


So it makes it quite clear that god may use accidents or disasters to punish those who will not repent.

ropata

If people decide to live on active volcanoes, I don't see why God should go around plugging them up. Actions have consequences. We live in a *fallen* world, not the garden of Eden. Our longing for a better world is evidence that this one is not our home.

Jim

Rick

You missed the point. Jesus is saying that natural disaster is not a specific punishment from God. That is because we are all equally bad compared with God.

Ryan

If you mean "is cancer a punishment for sin" then that is indeed ridiculous. If you mean "is cancer a consequence of sin" then that would be true in certain cases - but certainly not always!

Ryan Sproull

Jim,

If cancer is a consequence of sin and not a punishment for sin, then is sin a justification for God giving a child cancer?

Jim

Ryan

That's a somewhat bizarre question. Where do you get the idea that God gives out cancers like some sort of evil reverse Santa? In a world damaged by sin, cancer is a natural consequence of bad lifestyles and bad genes.

Ryan Sproull

Jim,

Then my question would be - does all of Creation attest to God's justice?

Jim

Ryan

Interesting question. Had to think about it a bit.
I'm not certain that a creation damaged by sin can tell you anything about God except he is exist and is potent. Creation displays the character of God in much the same way as a painting displays the thoughts of an artist. But if you slopped a bucket of acid onto a Monet, I suspect you would be able to tell very little about Monet except that he was a painter and used pretty colours.

Ryan Sproull

Jim,

If I slopped a bucket of acid on to a Monet, then I would be another person outside the painting, like Monet.

Rick

Didn't miss the point at all, Jim.

My point was he says he may use it if we do not repent.

So that rules out the arguement that says he will not use it.

He does not say, ok gays get done by earthquakes, rapist by falling houses, murderers by run away chariot...

Once you leave christianity behind with this topic, still holding onto the idea of a "god", you find that external happenings often relate to the happenings of the inner life. I'm not going to argue one or the other, because it requires a leap of faith rather than hard proof. Just like the faith required to believe in god.

Acid Comments


Of interest.

There's been speculation amongst geologists, etc. The recent spate of earthquakes in Israel are just the beginning as Israel and that immediate region are apparently overdue for a 'Big One'. Some speculation has the expected 'Big One' estimated around 7.8+ on the richter scale.

Even if it's just coincidence. It seems more than often a series of unexpected earthquakes or naturals disasters do seem to often take place around the time homosexual issues are fully legalised or major homosexual events are in full swing! Going by overseas trends.

Ryan Sproull

Even if it's just coincidence. It seems more than often a series of unexpected earthquakes or naturals disasters do seem to often take place around the time homosexual issues are fully legalised or major homosexual events are in full swing! Going by overseas trends.

Perhaps we should ask the Sensing Murder psychics to channel their chakras and stop the earthquakes.

ropata

As the high priests of modernity and materialism, Western academics have a vested interest in denying the existence of the supernatural. It's a peculiar modern conceit. Life itself was formed by an unfathomable chain of 'coincidences'. Many unusual things occur that materialists struggle to explain away with the rational mind. In fact the evidence is ignored by a skeptical media elite and a culture whose idolatry of money and material wealth mocks authentic faith with such derisive terms as "fundy". Perhaps C.S. Lewis was right, that "pain is God's megaphone to a deaf world".

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