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Rick

What punishment did the Tongan and the Samoan recieve for their crimes?

The support for Labour and the greens are made up of emotionally retarded people who hope against reality that the truth can be moulded to their lifestyle. It's no co-incidence they pull other hopeless cases around them for company. It's a siege mentality, and it's immature and ignorant, leading to mental crisis. People have to grow, they have no choice, and if the conscious mind refuses to allow growth then a disorder begins and can lead to psychosis.

dad4justice

I am convinced Labour would allow Charles Manson to live here if he agreed to vote for their miserable and corrupted political party.

mickmac

We are a nation of liars and hypocrites from the beehive down.
As for David Cunliffe I think he's protecting Helen's mate Annette and her husband who is very loyal.

reading the Listener yesterday it is clear a corrupt practice has been committed.
The question is how many people need to go to jail.
This might include the said Minister Cunliffe if he is found to be protecting King.

peter

What evidence do you fundamentalist clones have to suggest that the Minister is over-ruling the advice of officials?

What evidence do you have that an alternative govt would deal with these cases differently.

As I keep saying to Christian fundamentalists, the world is not black and white - it is principally grey. Very few actions work for pure advantage for all concerned. Furthermore, we don't know all the circumstances surrounding individual cases.

If you are wanting a govt that makes more draconian decisions, then you will find lots of logical things not happening too.

ropata

peter, you are hallucinating again. If the world is mostly grey as you attest, why are "fundamentalist clones" always wrong (judging by your recycled drivel)?

Also, why are you clamouring for evidence to support irrelevant strawmen? I can only infer that you are unable to concentrate on a sensible argument and have to revert to your imbecilic stereotypes.

Finally, your last sentence is a typical piece of incoherent insinuation. Are you trying to tell us that our benevolent Labour dictatorship is NOT draconian?!?! Oh dear.

peter

Ropata

You have seen nothing until you see National of the 90s revisited.

Ruth and Jenny and team.

ropata

Sorry, what does that have to do with the LABOUR policy of allowing NZ to be overrun with foreign criminals?

Psycho Milt

I must have missed this Labour policy of allowing NZ to be overrun with foreign criminals, Ropata - please provide a link.

As to what previous National govts have to do with the examples quoted in the post, only this: every govt occasionally suffers being blamed for dodgy immigration decisions. It goes with the territory. Put Key in later this year, and over time his govt will also accumulate a crop of stupid immigration stories.

If the point of the post is that we should publicise such stories so that the resulting embarrassment reduces their number, then fine.

However, if the point of the post is "Labour Is Bad," or "Labour Has a Fiendish Political Plot to Create a Heterosexual Aids Epidemic in NZ," you're only making yourselves look foolish.

ropata

Kiwi society has been re-engineered, teeming hordes are taking over NZ, wages are low, crime is up, govt bureaucracy is eating 51% of the economy, the health system is in perpetual crisis. But hey! we've crushed the evil fundy family agenda, and house prices are up so stuff the poor.

This is the attitude of Labour voters. Not my cup of tea thanks.

AVG

Where have Personal Ethics and Personal Responsibility gone ? If we had a government that cared for the people then living within the Code of Ethics of our country would be the primary yardstick by which to judge and act. Not votes to retain power which is becoming more apparent every day.

AVG

Where have Personal Ethics and Personal Responsibility gone ? If we had a government that cared for the people then living within the Code of Ethics of our country would be the primary yardstick by which to judge and act. Not votes to retain power which is becoming more apparent every day.

Psycho Milt

I wasn't aware NZ had a national Code of Ethics, AVG. Can you provide a source for this?

ropata

PM: The Golden Rule. It was invented by some Jewish dude called Jesus.

"The law shall be written on their hearts" (Isaiah, Ezekiel, Jesus, Peter, Paul, and others)

Psycho Milt

I see. Was there like, a referendum or something? Because I don't remember being asked to vote on it.

dad4justice

Psycho go read a Bible matey!

fugley

The Golden Rule? He who has the gold rules.

Yes, that's life in NZ.

peter

This is the golden rule:

"He who has the gold, makes the rules"

Ha Ha Ha!!!

That supreme optimist, Ropata has assaulted us with another of his outbursts:

"Kiwi society has been re-engineered, teeming hordes are taking over NZ, wages are low, crime is up, govt bureaucracy is eating 51% of the economy, the health system is in perpetual crisis. But hey! we've crushed the evil fundy family agenda, and house prices are up so stuff the poor."

Apply for a job at the Maxim Institute I say!

Anyway Ropata says wages are low. John Key is reported to have said he wants wages LOWER!

As for house prices - what about market rentals for state houses with Murray McCully in charge? What a walkout that was.

Immigration is desirable and necessary when New Zealanders want their OE, and higher wages in bigger economies. There is a chain like this:

Cook Islands > New Zealand > Australia > USA etc

If we have NZ born people who are not committed to their country, lets exchange them for immigrants who show that commitment.

ropata

PM> I don't remember being asked to vote on it
Generations of our forebears died you give you the luxury of that statement.

fugley> that's life in NZ
Yep, free markets are a drag, except the alternatives are much worse.

ropata

peter, your open-slather philosophy shows very little commitment to this country. There must be a painful cultural impact when a small nation embarks on a large-scale immigration policy such as the one implemented by our political elites. With no mandate from the electorate I might add; which leads one to surmise that there are other motivations for such an irrational endeavour.

fugley

If we have NZ born people who are not committed to their country, lets exchange them for immigrants who show that commitment

Sure, nice sentiment, but what do we do with the ones who don't show that commitment? the ones like the 2 whose tales began this thread? The Asians who refuse to integrate? The muslims who want special treatment, like closed sessions in public pools?

There's a lot of immigrants we can do without.

Yep, free markets are a drag, except the alternatives are much worse.

Do you think before you type? Most of Kiwi society has been re-engineered, teeming hordes are taking over NZ, wages are low, crime is up, govt bureaucracy is eating 51% of the economy, the health system is in perpetual crisis is caused by "free markets".

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