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mickmac

Peter
As comments were blocked on the last thread due to stupid remarks.
I'd like to inform you that
Pedophilia was removed from the book of mental diseases in 1991 by the American Psychiatric Association (APA)

The APA rather like our own Labour Party and Prime Minister lie to bend their own reality at the expense of the est of us as the thread above shows.

Rick

I think I'll just turn the hose on them instead. Anyone still following Labour's version of socialist thought is way beyond basic thought processes.

Rebel Heart

Sorry if this is off-topic but you closed the other thread preventing further discussion on how we should look after the mentally disabled.

I wrote:

If he really was watching porn involving underaged children he'd be in prison right now. He was probably just watching gay porn. To not employ him at a mental institution would be discrimination based on sexuality.

Without addressing this, you wrote:

In the meantime I am closing comments on this thread because this silly feud is adding nothing to the discussion on how we view and treat the mentally handicapped.

Which is something we should all care about in a compassionate society.

Now tell me, in light of your original post attacking the man for being employed there, do you not think that mentally disabled people may be homosexuals, or enjoy watching porn themselves. How will you be able to be compassionate towards them if you're a judgmental Christian who is prejudiced against homosexuality or pornography, and instead of helping them get better you make them feel horrible so that going to a mental institution would be no better than going to a Church?

Acid Comments

"As comments were blocked on the last thread due to stupid remarks.
I'd like to inform you that
Pedophilia was removed from the book of mental diseases in 1991 by the American Psychiatric Association (APA)

The APA rather like our own Labour Party and Prime Minister lie to bend their own reality at the expense of the est of us as the thread above shows."

Yeah and some of those 'Shrink Imbeciles' in the APA are trying to have it legalized along with incest!

ropata

Andrei, it's "incumbency", not "encumbancy" !! Other than that, great post.

As to the off-topic rantings: Labourites like to claim "you can't legislate morality" meanwhile they do everything in their power to legitimize IMmorality. What a topsy-turvy world they live in. Their greatest principle is to anathematize the existence of timeless principles.

andrei

Incumbency it is indeed ropata.

Thats what happens when you write a post in the early morning and there is no editor to proof read it for you.

However I will fix it.

belt

Last election they sowed the seeds of religious disharmony by slandering a religious group they disapproved of, mostly because this group promote clean living and family values amongst their members

Hmmm. No. Mostly because they tried to influence the result of an election without disclosing who they were.

It will take more ... to convince this voter that the Labour Party stands for anything other than staying in power at all costs and that they a fundamentally dishonest.

That's the easy position to take. But let us not assume malice when stupidity provides an explanation.

Could it be that Labour will do anything to keep National OUT of Government, and is genuinely concerned that a National government would be so damaging to the nation as to feel that the end is just, and the means are justified.

A bit like: stealing bread is kinda forgivable when it goes to feed starving children.

I'm not convinced that the degree of plain evil and cynicism attributed to Labour is rooted in a pure lust for power. Sadly enough, the idea that laws, conventions and common decency can be suspended to promote Labour's heartfelt objectives produces effectively the same end result.

I think it is a reflection of the efficacy of the opposition this parliamentary term, with the continuous barrage and exposures of shortcomings of the Ministers in their various dealings that Labour people have lost perspective, feel very much persecuted, and this whole election is now also 'personal'.

belt

Pedophilia was removed from the book of mental diseases

So?

The definition of a mental disease has changed over time, and paedophilia is not legitimised by its exclusion from the category of mental conditions called "mental disease".

It continues to be a mental disorder - a meta category.

I'm sure you weren't suggesting that wanting sex with children is something we should accept as normal, do you?

Fletch

Homosexuality was also removed from the APA as a disorder - not because of any medical evidence, but because of protesters disrupting annual APA meetings in 1970.

Below is from an article on WorldNetDaily by Janet Folger (emphasis in bold mine) -

In 1963, the New York Academy of Medicine charged its Committee on Public Health to report on homosexuality because they feared it was on the increase. The Committee reported:

[H]omosexuality is indeed an illness. The homosexual is an emotionally disturbed individual who has not acquired the normal capacity to develop satisfying heterosexual relations.

But just 10 years later, everything changed. In 1973, the American Psychiatric Association voted to strike homosexuality from the officially approved list of psychiatric illnesses. Why was this done?

As Jeffrey Satinover, M.D., details in his book, "Homosexuality and the Politics of Truth":

Ronald Bayer, then a Fellow at the Hastings Institute in New York, reported that in 1970, homosexual activists within the APA planned a "systematic effort to disrupt the annual meetings of the American Psychiatric Association."

Like bullies on the playground, homosexual activists didn't want to play by the rules. You know, the rules that say if you want to influence a body of science, you should conduct properly designed studies and build scientific research that makes your case. No. There weren't any scientific studies like that (still aren't). No problem, just harass and intimidate those scientists who present properly designed studies that you don't like. Like Dr. Irving Bieber, prominent psychoanalyst and psychiatrist, who presented a paper on "homosexuality and transsexualism" at the 1970 APA convention. Instead of challenging his findings by questioning the accuracy of his research methods, they just disrupted his presentation. Way easier. Especially when there isn't any research to support your position.

Imagine the prestigious, scientific setting of the APA conference where Dr. Bieber presents his study – homosexual activists employ what has become their customary tactic: fear and intimidation. As Bieber begins to present his research, homosexual attendees loudly mock and laugh at him. They further disrupt his presentation by shouting and calling him names and making threats, suggesting he deserved to be "drawn and quartered." If we said something like that about homosexuals, it'd be a "hate crime."

On May 3, 1971, the psychiatrist protesters broke into a meeting of distinguished members of their profession and grabbed the microphone – giving it to one of their allied outside activists, who proclaimed:

Psychiatry is the enemy incarnate. Psychiatry has waged a relentless war of extermination against us. You may take this as a declaration of war against you. … We're rejecting you all as our owners.

"No one raised an objection," recounts Dr. Satinover. Their disruption was met with more reconciliation and an appearance before the APA's Committee on Nomenclature. Further bullying and lobbying delivered the committee vote that maybe, just maybe, homosexual behavior was not a sign of psychiatric disorder after all.

By the time of the 1973 APA convention, the group announced its new "finding" with only 15 minutes for dissenters to discuss 70 years of psychiatric research to the contrary. The hijacked vote was formally appealed to the full membership. But activists already had a letter drafted, in part by friends at the National Gay Taskforce, urging a vote to "retain the nomenclature change," which was sent to the 30,000 APA members with the money the NGTF had raised.

Of course, no one let on to APA members that the letter came from homosexual activists, as Dr. Bayer revealed, "that would have been 'the kiss of death.'" But the letter drafted and paid for by the NGTF was able to secure a majority response from a third of the members who responded. But the vast majority was not behind the change. How do I know? Four years later, the Medical Journal Aspects of Human Sexuality reported a survey showing "69 percent of psychiatrists disagreed with the vote and still considered homosexuality a disorder."

But it didn't stop there. The American Psychological Association recently published a study favorable to pedophilia – you know, child molestation. If you call it "Adult-child sex," it doesn't sound as bad.

But this trial balloon looked more like the Hindenburg after Dr. Laura Schlesinger got done with it. Thank you, Dr. Laura.

Caving to public pressure, APA executive director Raymond Fowler later denounced it as "reprehensible." Really? For how long? Then why was this trash published in the APA journal in the first place? Oh yeah, because they thought they could get away with that, too.

It was shortly after that APA article appeared that I received my first hate letter for my stand against child molestation. I was called an "intolerant Nazi" for opposing child abuse because, after all, the APA said it was OK! I thought you might like a glimpse into what's coming. The tactics of "threats over research" may take us there again soon.

Nice...

Rebel Heart

In 1963, the New York Academy of Medicine charged its Committee on Public Health to report on homosexuality because they feared it was on the increase.

Umm, what the fuck? So how biased was this committee again, and also the fact that you quote from World Net Daily says a lot about "bullies on the playground" preventing the properly designed studies that they don't like.

Fletch

Rebel, what studies? There aren't any...

Fletch

I'm sure that, given the threatening behaviour of activists, they wouldn't let anything get in the way of 'proper' studies being conducted.

Rebel Heart

Just look up homosexuality on Wiki then the reference links duh : S

dad4justice

Homosexuality is sinful in my Bible stan.

peter

Andrrei said of Labour:

"Last election they sowed the seeds of religious disharmony by slandering a religious group they disapproved of, mostly because this group promote clean living and family values amongst their members."

I beg your pardon! Family values? These guys are family splitters - they drive divisions between parents and children, and even between parents.

As for clean living - well I might give you that. They look spick in span in their white shorts sleeved shirts (for men) and head scarves (for women).

mickmac

I'm sure that, given the threatening behaviour of activists, they wouldn't let anything get in the way of 'proper' studies being conducted.

Just look at Climate change - same modus operendi.
Anyone who challenges, questions or disagrees is a denier.
root them out, cancel & deny funding, even sack them and deny tenure.

Rebel Heart

Just look at Climate change - same modus operendi.
Anyone who challenges, questions or disagrees is a denier.
root them out, cancel & deny funding, even sack them and deny tenure.

Dude, that's nothing compared to some of the Churches I've been a member of. You're pretty much fucked if you don't agree with them 100%.

peter

Rebel Heart

Surely you have been to mainstream churches like Anglican, Presbyterian and Methodist. The advantage is that you can believe anything you want even in the clergy. Unfortunately they have fallen on hard times in recent years and they would no doubt appreciate your interest.

Ha Ha Ha!!!

peter

Getting back to the original topic, you will see in this morning's media that Helen Clark has knocked the departmental pamphlets on the head:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/1/story.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10504166

The idea came up in a WORKSHOP at the congress a couple of days ago if you please! Mike Williams is taking the rap.

Away you go you right wing Christian fundamentalists, go looking for whatever other mud you can find to throw. At Helen Clark of course, not John Key,

Ha Ha Ha !!!!

dad4justice

Peter, criminal Helen Klark dementedly mentioned you when she said the "not so bright one".

Hahahahahahahahahahahaha

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