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walter broad

mmmm... if I understand your religion correctly, these young people are now in Heaven? They are in a 'better place' - right? If so, can it be said that all Christians are, by their own admission, 'better off dead'? Then why not rejoice at their passing?

Anne (Glen Eden)


At best, you talking to one person's religion.

All that any Christian can say about where the dead are is that they are where God has determined they should be.

Those who accept Jesus Christ as Lord believe that they are now with Him.

Mature Christians do celebrate this.

While there are several facets to Jesus direction "Let the dead bury their own dead. You follow me", one of them certainly is that the whereabouts of the dead is something we can only have an opinion about.

We, who remain alive have much more to worry about in terms of what we are doing in this world.

Grief is experienced by the living for what they feel has been lost from their lives. (Notwithstanding we don't know if the dead grieve/experience sadness or regret, which one could argue they remain capable of).

Indeed one could ask if we were all not better off dead? Why are any of us alive?

My Christian answer would include: to learn to love selflessly.

Because there is no doubt whatsoever, no matter the beliefs of anyone, unless that value becomes the overriding factor in human behaviour, very little is likely to survive on this planet.


I dont believe this at all. These kids are lost forever. They prayed to survive but did not.

The lucky survivor student prayed too and he believes god listened to him and presumably not the others.

Grief is at the stage of denial still I do believe.


As discussed before ..

The survivor relates how he prayed to a god and that god saved his life. Much celebration.

Reports I have read said that the whole lot of them were praying on the ledge.

Survival was driven not by a god but by decisions made by those at the scene - plus lady luck of course in terms or what people banged into.

The mourning is probably still in later stages of shock and denial. These young lives have been lost for ever. Sorry.

Matt L

Peter - a 14 year old boy gave his story and understanding of why he lived when others died.

Why are you basing your whole theological position on this young boy's statements?

Would you base your investment decisions on a 14 year old boy's understanding of the stock exchange?

Or your legal defense in a court case on a 14 year old boys understanding of the legal system?

We are in agreement that it was the decisions and circumstances that determined who lived and who died.

You are trying to preach that the tragedy proves that God does not exist.

Why not just leave the young boy out of your message?

His beliefs do not add to or take away from the bone you are trying to pick.

Anne (Glen Eden)

In addition, let's just take a long term view and see what the 14 year old boy does with his life and those of his children.

God listens to everyone and always does what is in their best interests. Self-evidently, God had a purpose in the 14 year old not dying at this time.



You said:

"God listens to everyone and always does what is in their best interests. Self-evidently, God had a purpose in the 14 year old not dying at this time."

Can't you get your head around the contrasting concepts of good luck and bad luck?

A god does not need to have a purpose, whether a god created the world or not. If a god had a purpose, it might have nothing to do with 14-year olds, Elim College, a river, a dam, an instructor, a teacher, and a host of unlucky families.

I refuse to impose such a definition onto something that cannot be substantiated.

Go back to the word rational.


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