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KevOB

I am gobsmacked. If one tenth of one percent of this is true there is a serious problem. If we do not fight the war before it is started we are going to eventually fight a much hotter war. Has peace has made us complacent or have we fallen into the quicksands of wishful thinking? idealism fails when your opponent is not ideal.

Acid Comments

"I am gobsmacked. If one tenth of one percent of this is true there is a serious problem. If we do not fight the war before it is started we are going to eventually fight a much hotter war. Has peace has made us complacent or have we fallen into the quicksands of wishful thinking? idealism fails when your opponent is not ideal"

He just one of many similar go between front company individuals for the PLA.

Don't forget the furore in old Bill Clinton's Democratic camp about a major Chinese spy who was funding him. No wonder China ended up 'illegally' with American Hi-tech military secrets. Including Neutron bomb and stealth technology, etc!

We don't mind doing business with dubious people and businesses with military connections as long as they're not of USA or Western origin! What a bunch of hypocrites the NZ Govt and their ilk are!

belt

So few people realise that the "wars" of the 21st century are economic. The USA is particularly stuck on the idea that military might equals control and influence. But just as the USA has never attacked a country that has McDonalds, it also has yet to realise that economic warfare is not going its way as it squanders trillions the old fashioned way through man power, hardware and munitions. Our greatest "enemy" in the mean time is infiltrating through immigration and economics. The Eastern way is the way of patience. They do not care if it takes generations. The plan is in place, and it is carried out maticulously and with little opposition. Our children's children will live in a Chinese World. The quicker you get used to that idea, the quicker you'll know reality. The numbers are pointing that way, and most of us prefer to pretend it's a temporary aberration. Buy real estate, strategic services and lots of natural resources all over the world, and one day, you own everything worth owning. By then, control will be handed to you, and your billions of minions will spread across the globe unopposed.

The real interesting question is: Can the "West" wake up to this, formulate a plan against it, and be successful?

I trust it won't be something I have to worry about. But my children's children will reap the "benefits" of the wisdom of the people who think they are in control now.

peter

I like Chinese people - men and women and children.

Yes great people generally with no hangups about religion.

dad4justice

peter -your above comment is more venomous rhetoric condemning Christianity. Your obsession with this site is unhealthy and you need treatment.
Two things in China worry me , mobile human slaughterhouses and the grab what you want body part and organ industry.

No doubt peter ( really a twisted Liarbour witch in a smelly dyke flat in that sewer Wellington) will like these sordid Chinese ideas!!!

reid

One reason why I've said for years that Clinton is as bad as Bush is because of his China connections. He didn't only receive campaign funding, he compromised National Security in favour of the Chinese.

Everyone remembers the spy plane incident which allowed the Chinese to swarm all over the plane and get who knows what secrets from it. How many remember the Legacy Codes theft, the metallurgy technology theft that stopped China's MIRVs disintegrating upon re-entry, the lease of the Long Island ex-Naval Base to COSCO (later overturned by Congress), the sale of restricted super-computers, etc, etc.

See here and here for more examples.

Matthew

Peter,

Christianity is in fact growing faster then Buddhism, Islam, Atheism in China today. In fact, there are more Christians then there are Communist Party members in China.

But you are right in one respect - they are not hung up on religion, because Christianity is not a religion :)

Every week millions of Bibles are going into China. Do you know why? Its because they can't keep up with demand partly affected by the attempt by the State to keep Christianity outlawed.

Welcome to the non-western world - where Christianity is being chosen by many. Hopefully the few small countries in the West will begin to see their wisdom. It reminds me of that passage of Scripture that says that God will use the things of this world that seem foolish to teach those who consider themselves to be wise in their own eyes. I therefore invite you Peter to go to a Chinese Christian and have a chat, Perhaps she or he can show you something I can't.

Ted

I see you got owned by the Press Council today Ian, what do you have to say about that?

peter

Matthew

Yes the orient does offer opportunities to westerners ..

For example Karoake is popular - people wanting to pretend they are stars..

Speaking of which, aging former stars like Gray Bartlett have found commercial success when shelf life in western world is expiring.

In the long run they will catch up with the West - on the Hit Parade and in their view of religion.

Acid Comments


Is the NZ Govt and all their supporters of the Chinese FTA going to protest to Beijing on China's proliferation of nuclear weapons?

If not hypocrites.

Chinese build secret nuclear submarine base

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/china/1917167/Chinese-build-secret-nuclear-submarine-base.html

Acid Comments


Also of interest:

China Says Abusive Child Labor Ring Is Exposed

SHANGHAI — China said Wednesday that it had broken up a child labor ring that forced children from poor, inland areas to work in booming coastal cities, acknowledging that severe labor abuses extended into the heart of its export economy.

The labor scandal is the latest embarrassment for China as it prepares to host the Olympic Games this summer. For much of the past year, the country has been plagued by damaging reports about severe pollution, dangerous exports, riots in Tibet and the ensuing disruptions to its Olympic torch relay by Tibet’s sympathizers, among other groups.

The child labor ring, which was first uncovered by Southern Metropolis, a crusading newspaper based in Guangzhou, came less than a year after China was rocked by exposure of a similar problem in a less developed part of central China. Last June, labor officials in Shanxi and Henan Provinces said they had rescued hundreds of people, including children, from slave labor conditions in rural brick kilns. Many of those workers said they had been kidnapped.

The earlier case, which local officials initially sought to keep quiet, set off a national uproar in China and prompted a sharp response from President Hu Jintao, who vowed a broad crackdown on labor abuses. Local officials in Guangdong may have moved quickly to acknowledge the latest incident to keep it from becoming a running scandal as the Olympics approach.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/01/world/asia/01china.html?em&ex=1209700800&en=7041796b885bd91b&ei=5087%0A

reid

AC: "Is the NZ Govt and all their supporters of the Chinese FTA going to protest to Beijing on China's proliferation of nuclear weapons?"

I don't get the connection AC. If there is one then why wouldn't you suggest that those who support a US FTA should similarly protest to Washington?

And not just about nukes either.

Rambo Wong

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