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Posted by iwishart on May 13, 2008 at 11:25 PM in Islamofascism | Permalink
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Before you, Fairfacts Media and KG go wetting yourselves in fear, you might want to consider how much of a threat a small fascist minority of a small minority of the British population actually is to our future. For instance, is it actually a worse threat than that other small fascist minority, the British National Party? Who are in fact no threat to our future at all?
This stuff reminds me of the liberal types who've been quacking on about the "rise of the right," the "resurgence of neo-nazism" etc for a good 30 years now, with no sign of actual growth or resurgence among the nutjobs in question.
Psycho Milt |
May 14, 2008 at 07:53 AM
Yes Phil, you are a truly virtuous and compassionate social liberal.
May 14, 2008 at 08:39 AM
Those cops screwed up.
PM you fool, take those rose tinted glasses off.
May 14, 2008 at 09:14 AM
This is only to be expected when the police are used as an instrument of the state to shut down dissent.
It is already a well known fact that Islam and Democracy are incompatible, but that is no reason to deny Moslems the opportunity to present their views.
Is this any different to the Chinese suppressing any signs of Tibet wherever their leaders travel?.
May 14, 2008 at 10:08 AM
"...that is no reason to deny Moslems the opportunity to present their views."
Then let them do it in a country that is recognised as a muslim state. htere is presenting views and there is challenging the authroity of the Police. That line was crossed.
Democracy has never included free speech for minority views, and shouldn't, since it is becomming increasingly clear that people don't understand what buoys up their peaceful democracy anymore and instead resort to simplifications and political destortions.
The error the policeman made was to appeal to greater reason in the first instance when it was clear the demonstrator had surpassed rationality with his outbursts. It was sad to then see the cops back down further and be surrounded in a potentially deadly situation. That squad will be getting a dressing down back at the station.
May 14, 2008 at 10:22 AM
"Is this any different to the Chinese suppressing any signs of Tibet wherever their leaders travel?"
If the chinese can supress Tibetan messages the world over when they travel then they do so with the complicity of the government of the host nation. It then becomes a matter for the voting public to decide at elections, whether they support that view or not.
May 14, 2008 at 10:27 AM
What is this all about?
Is the blank picture deliberate? Is there a link to an article?
May 14, 2008 at 12:10 PM
What's all this about?
I came her to spout crap but I'm too thick to watch the video.
Can someone help me?
HA HA HA!
Where's me pie?
What's this thing?
Helen's not corrupt, she's my lover.
I love Labour, all of them.
What's this button do?
What's life about?
May 14, 2008 at 12:44 PM
PM you fool, take those rose tinted glasses off.
You'd prefer it if I joined in the general squawking of "We're doomed!" because some Muslims are fascists?
Like the poor, the fascists will always be with us. And for decades, darkies in the UK have endured violence from white fascists and our response has mostly been along the lines of "Gee that's too bad. This is a democracy, pal - fascos have rights too."
Now suddenly we find the darkies have their own fascos, their target is us white people, and suddenly the response is "Oh my God! We must do something about this immediately!" I'm sorry, but my hypocrisy meter is off the scale here. My personal response is still "fascos have rights too."
Psycho Milt |
May 14, 2008 at 01:57 PM
Rick .. the video eventually appeared in the blank space. Thank you for your hints.
"Muslim vote for nobody"
Sounds like the Exclusive Brethren's former (?) position!
It shows for once and for all the folly of mixing fundamentalist religion and politics.
May 14, 2008 at 02:14 PM
Those people in the white outfits must be all night shift workers. Or was that video shot in the weekend?
May 14, 2008 at 03:25 PM
PM, I'm not sure that posting this video actually made the claim "We're doomed!". Seems to me that the fanatics are a major problem (threat)and are working very hard to indoctrinate the greater Muslim population... with some success in many parts of the world. What exactly do you object to regards this video again?
May 14, 2008 at 06:59 PM
"that is no reason to deny Moslems the opportunity to present their views."
What else could I expect from you -promoting violence is normal to you fugley.
May 14, 2008 at 08:04 PM
"Democracy has never included free speech for minority views, and shouldn't"
You do realise that in New Zealand that means christians?
May 14, 2008 at 08:27 PM
I hear that the man in the clip is Abu Izzadeen. The man who heckled and abused a British MP in Sept '06 for coming into a "Muslim area" and (here I quote from the BBC)
shouted out: "Shame on all of us for sitting down and listening to him."
He said he was "furious" about "state terrorism by British police" and accused the minister of being an "enemy" of Islam before being led from the building by police and stewards.
A member of the now banned al Mahajiroun, I don't imagine he and his mates would have been any easier on the cops if the cops were comprised entirely of West Indians and Sikhs.
After giving a talk on Islam at a church a couple of weeks ago (one of those fundamentalist Anglican affairs - you know, pretty rough) I chatted with a lady who'd just come out from the UK. She said she had gotten sick of the roving gangs of skinheads who were attacking immigrants or people of colour.
She said that she thought Britain was headed towards "civil war", which was interesting as this isn't the first time I'd come across this prognostication from a pom.
In fact "Shire Network News" - whose podcasts have quickly become favourites with its very funny, Conservative, pro-Western, Pro-US & Israel and pro-Christian sentiments - mentioned this a few weeks ago.
Here's the link, if you haven't listened in then you're missing a real treat and a good laugh:~ http://tuatara.blogmatrix.com/
Its interesting that the BNP's website was the most visited British political party website in 2007. As I've suggested before, the reason for the rise in Nationalism and racism is down to the fact that open discussion is no longer allowed on certain topics (like the rise of strict Islam) which are considered outside the bounds of polite society. Real discussion is driven underground and matters fester.
When British, EU and American leadership forbid their elected representatives and members of government departments to link "Islam" with "terrorism" you know things are getting pretty loopy...
May 14, 2008 at 08:53 PM
Budgieboy: I object to nothing regarding this video - it's handy to know your fascist enemy, so it's good the video's out there. However, I do object to Ian, FFM and KG constantly promoting this supposed "Islamofascist" threat, while showing no concern about the white fascists who've been around for decades. Why is it only brown fascists who are a threat to our way of life?
May 14, 2008 at 09:11 PM
Usabikes: if discussion on this subject is no longer allowed, how exactly are we discussing it now? Will the police be breaking our doors down tonight?
May 14, 2008 at 09:14 PM
Milt...I'm equally opposed to Nazi skinhead fascists as well...however you are exaggerating the magnitude of the problem.
Going entirely from memory, I seem to recall a survey in the Times of London or similar a year after the July 7 attacks which showed a massive number of British muslims were sufficiently radicalised to support terror action on British soil in support of Islamic objectives...
Whilst skinheads are generally laughed at and reasonably few in number, the proportion and actual numbers of radicalised Muslims in Europe far exceeds the skinhead threat.
Moreover, I don't recall gangs of skinheads flying planes into buildings, blowing up buses and trains etc etc. I don't recall gangs of skinheads having large amounts of funding at their disposal courtesy of foreign governments and "charities" raising money for skinhead terror training camps.
Furthermore, I don't recall the police having any reluctance, because of political correctness, to tackle skinhead violence and issues, let alone treating skinhead areas as no-go areas.
In other words, where neo nazi fascism arises it is generally dealt with, and most of the rest of us regard them as idiots. Read some of the ex-Muslim sites out of Europe, and you'll soon be educated as to the big difference - radical Muslims are converting large numbers of "moderates" to their cause.
The irony of course is that as radicalisation grows it will lead to greater radicalisation (fascism for lack of a better word) among native Europeans in response.
Averting civil war should be a worthwhile goal, but recognising the stupidity of liberal immigration mythology is probably a first step in reaching a solution.
Immigration needs to be managed and controlled, otherwise tensions do rise, and when one particular group is extremely radicalised in comparison to the rest of us, the issue needs to be addressed.
May 14, 2008 at 09:42 PM
The irony of USA Bikes should not be lost on anyone:
'I hear that the man in the clip is Abu Izzadeen. The man who heckled and abused a British MP in Sept '06 for coming into a "Muslim area" and (here I quote from the BBC)
shouted out: "Shame on all of us for sitting down and listening to him." '
Not too different from what exteme right wing Christian fundamentalists are saying about our great leader Helen Clark.
'He said he was "furious" about "state terrorism by British police" and accused the minister of being an "enemy" of Islam before being led from the building by police and stewards. '
Interesting, because it seems Ian's second favourite target may be the police as well!
Fundamentalism is fundamentally flawed no matter whether Christian or Moslem. Thank you for this example Ian.
May 14, 2008 at 09:46 PM
"about our great leader Helen Clark."
There is nothing great about that corrupt bitch . You should know that peter!!!
May 14, 2008 at 10:22 PM
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