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AcidComments


The recent Terrorist attacks in Mumbai have been bad news.

I was sad to hear on TV news lastnight an interview with an Indian lady who said their would probably be reprisals for the attack in India and Christians would also likely be targetted, along with Muslim and Communist Indians!

There was a severe extremist Hindu Indian attack on Christian Indians, just recently.

usabikes

"Pakistan, condemning the assault, promised full cooperation."

Riiiiight. Just like they steadfastly assist their Western allies in anti-Jihadi actions in the NWFP and Waziristan eh? Pakistan have even employed jihadis in Jammu & Kashmir >>>>>>>>>>
"Use of Irregulars: Bane for the Pakistan Army" by RSN Singh.
"The extensive use of irregulars and jihadis to incorporate J&K into Pakistan ... has been a part of Pakistan’s strategic thinking since the 50s."

http://www.indiandefencereview.com/?p=342
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

I hear that the US intelligence said that the jihadis are making use of the window between the US election and Obama's swearing-in for a big offensive.

Have people got the idea that all these disparate and seemingly unrelated jihadi attacks around the world have only one thing in common - the perpetrators base their actions on the Qur'an and the example of Muhammad.

Can we have our NZ Muslim leaders denounce such Qur'anic verses and examples from the Sunna that the jihadis' will inevitably claim they base their behaviour upon?

And please, not just a saccharine "Islam teaches against killing innocents" either, unless they clearly define what an "innocent" is. Because these blokes say that according to Muhammad & the Sunna no non-Muslim is innocent. Is Muhammad & the Sunna correct on this point or not, Muslim leaders of NZ? Is that true or false? Do you believe it or not?

usabikes

An informative article I found just one day before the attack.

"Radical Islam’s war with India," by Indian intelligence expert Anand K Verma.

http://sify.com/news/fullstory.php?id=14801161

Quote:
"There is a perception in some quarters that the nation is sliding towards anarchy. On good authority it can be said that one responsible Muslim voice within the portals of governance holds the view that India is on its way to a civil war, which will be fought on every street including every village and the town. "

usabikes

Another insight:~
"Indian intelligence believes the Indian Mujahideen is a front group created by Lashkar-e-Taiba and the Harkat ul Jihad al Islami to confuse investigators and cover the tracks of the Students' Islamic Movement of India, or SIMI, a radical Islamist movement. The groups receive support from Pakistan's Inter-Service Intelligence and are al Qaeda affiliates."
http://www.weeklystandard.com/weblogs/TWSFP/2008/11/indian_mujahideen_takes_credit.asp

Yes, the ISI is the Pakistan government's intelligence service.

ropata

There have been examples of moderate leaders such as the Shah of Iran, Pervez Musharrif of Pakistan, also Lebanon and Turkey have shown signs of an independent secularism. But the forces of rationality have tended to wilt in the face of hardline Sharia/Wahabbi Islam.

I hope that a secular moderate Islam will raise its voice against this murderous evil, otherwise all Muslims will be seen as giving tacit approval. And we could be seeing the initial death throes of a violent false religion, which the world cannot sustain much longer.

But these hopes are really against the present chaotic trends of world events.

fugley

Excuse me for seeming trite, but why do you, a supposedly intelligent investigative journalist, write Mumbai instead of Bombay?

Do you write Francaise instead of France? Lietuva instead of Lithuania? Deutschland or Germany?

I'd be very interested to know.


peter

Fugley

Mumbai has now come into common usage.

And we really should say Deutschland instead of Germany, Roma instead of Rome, Wien instead of Vienna etc. No translation needed.

Locally Mt Cook should have two offical names:
Aorangi or Aoraki. Not Mt Cook!

Taranaki has now replaced Mt Egmont as name of that mountain out there.

Wanganui should be the same as the river, Whanganui.

Now that tree has been chopped down, I have heard that the name One Tree Hill is falling into disuse, and Maungakiekie is the preferred name - it is name of a city ward and an electorate - is that right JAFAs?

Grant S

"Excuse me for seeming trite, but why do you, a supposedly intelligent investigative journalist, write Mumbai instead of Bombay?"

It's a bit like you needing to deal with your issues by consuming Prozac or Fluoxetine.

Rick

Excuse me for also being trite:


Upwards of 25 men, heavily armed with assault rifles and hand grenades, carried out the attacks.

Rifles and grenades have never been thought of as heavy arms. You cannot ever be "heavily armed" with them. In fact, they're officially thought of as light weapons.

Enough with the hyperbole. It does not improve the story, make it more true, the victims less dead, the police more heroic, or the facts more factual. A rifle is only comparatively a "heavy" weapon if the other person is armed with a spoon.

Does anyone need yet another world crisis with emotionally embellished and incorrect reporting? Just report the story.

Fugley

Peter, has "Mumbai come in to common use" in, say France? Or China?

Why should we "really say" Roma, Wien, etc? Do the French say England or
L’ Angleterre?

I much prefer Mt Cook as it is a reminder that without the brilliant seamanship and navigation of Cook we would not be enjoying the pacific paradise. (And yes, I do know the forebears of the Maori came here in bots, but they never figured out the reverse trip).

Your post had a lot of "shoulds", but no evidence based claims.

Shane Ponting

This ordeal concerns me, because either this ragtag group of terrorists are THAT good or the Indian Commandos aren't that impressive.

I thought post 9/11 everyone had supertrooper anti-terrorist squads with itchy trigger fingers just waiting to headshot some crazy Muslims?

fugley

I thought post 9/11 everyone had supertrooper anti-terrorist squads with itchy trigger fingers just waiting to headshot some crazy Muslims?

No, that's just in England where you can get shot for running late for a train and not knowing English.

John Boy

Does this mean we get our call centres back?

ropata

For clarification:
a) I wrote the story, not Ian
b) I am a blogger, not a reporter, and a little bit of dramatic prose seemed appropriate in the circumstances
c) Virtually all other news sources refer to Mumbai not Bombay
d) Someone walking down the street wielding assault rifles, handguns and grenades is usually considered heavily armed. I'm not writing a technical military report.

Rick
This ordeal concerns me, because either this ragtag group of terrorists are THAT good or the Indian Commandos aren't that impressive.

Dunno about the commandoes, but the TV footage of police in freshly pressed uniforms and huge old SLR rifles wandering aimlesly around under street lights doesn't speak too highly of their understanding of the situation. All they needed were the big handle bar mustaches of His Majesty's Stables to top the image off.

So I jump to the conclusion that the reports stating the terrorists were "heavily armed" is an attempt to shift the blame from people who should have planned for this. Such twistings of the facts give no respect to the already dead, no assurance to the living, and provide no impetus for improvements to security for the future.

It's said that the SLR is a "good rifle" but not the sort of thing you'd take on a building clearance exercise and if they're the semi-automatic version, no match for any version of the AK47 - which is what the terrorists appear to be using.

The kill rate of those terrorists matches the recent Russian offensives in Georgia - and they were heavily armed.

Something doesn't add up.

peter

The situation in Mumbai should be held up as an example of what can happen when people get too serious and factionalised about their religions.

Think about it. Why was it necessary to divide India and Pakistan along religious lines in the first place anyway? Only asking for trouble.

As for Christian churches, they were surely trying to push their offerings in an area riven by the Moslem and Hindu rivalries. As Jesus himself would have said, you reap what you sow. (Even more descriptive is the saying about chickens coming home to roost!)

Fugley - nice to have some fun with you this time!

Mumbai is place name used in INDIA! Wiki says:

'The name "Mumbai" is an eponym, etymologically derived from Mumba or Maha-Amba – the name of the Hindu goddess Mumbadevi – and Aai, "mother" in Marathi. The former name Bombay had its origins in the 16th century when the Portuguese arrived in the area and called it by various names, which finally took the written form Bombaim, still common in current Portuguese use. After the British gained possession in the 17th century, it was anglicised to Bombay ... The name was officially changed to its Marathi pronunciation of Mumbai in 1996'

"Bombay" is slang.

Fugley I simply don't believe you want all the places in the world named according to slang.

Which would you want - "Waipukurau" or "Y-puk"?

Fugley, you then ask:

'Why should we "really say" Roma, Wien, etc? Do the French say England or
L’ Angleterre?'

The French can do what the French do. I am just saying that there is no need to anglicise foreign place names at all. When you are in Europe, you use local names on local maps anyway. What is the point of applying slang versions?

You say:

"I much prefer Mt Cook as it is a reminder that without the brilliant seamanship and navigation of Cook we would not be enjoying the pacific paradise. (And yes, I do know the forebears of the Maori came here in bots, but they never figured out the reverse trip)"

The "reverse trip" argument is stupid. How did you know Maori wanted to undertake the reverse trip? The defining issue with Cook was that he was merely a visitor, not a settler!

If you want to remember Captain Cook, catch a ferry across Cook Strait! (The name Raukawa Moana or maybe Raukawa Strait may be better for that as well)

Alternativel buy a book, put his photo on your wall, or put a sign on your house "Capt Cook's Retreat".

Aoraki means "Cloud Piercer" in the Ngāi Tahu dialect of the Māori language - what a beautiful descriptive name. And don't forget that Abel Tasman was the first European to see it many years earlier!

These fundamentalists are getting to you Fugley. Evidence abounds - shall I tip it all on your front lawn?

peter

I think all Christian fundamentalists should think about volunteering to go into India to defend their "devil may care" advocates of Christianity in this religiously nutty environment. All those foreign mission investments need to be be defended, don't they. Hand Ropata his bayonet someone.

fugley

Peter, I am about to go out and get pissed at a 21st - but here's a simple one for you. Have you ever heard, have you ever said "Bollywood"?

Oh, and the maori's ancestors were just too dumb to get back, they didn't lack motivation. Your argument, if it is such, is no different to the tossers who, when asked why maori didn't invent etchnology say "They had no need of it" when the truth is, they had no nouse for it.

OK, play agin tomorrow through my hangover.

usabikes

"Think about it. Why was it necessary to divide India and Pakistan along religious lines in the first place anyway? Only asking for trouble."


Oh. Good. Grief.

dad4justice

The mere thought of the demented fugley and pathetic peter playing together gives me a hangover without drinking a drop.

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