New data pours more cold water on global warming believers

It began as a trickle, now it's a flood. Not melting ice but the torrent of studies and raw data now suggesting global warming is cooling off.

Despite the optimism of the tumbleweeds inhabiting Hot Topic, The Standard and Bomber's threads on Tumeke, Arctic sea ice loss is not "gaining momentum" but in fact the reverse. Latest data shows the Arctic ice extent this northern summer is higher than it was last year, which was in turn higher than 2007.

Then a new study by the oceanographers at Woods Hole has ridiculed Michael Mann's hockey stick and its many variations, by suggesting the Medieval Warm Period was indeed as warm as the current warm cycle. They base their findings on actual ocean sediment data revealing the oceans were as warm then as they are now. Mann used a couple of dodgy old pine trees.

The latest satellite temperature data reveals temperatures have been trending downwards in recent years despite CO2 emissions hitting record levels:

 

This flies in the face of Greenhouse theory predictions. The assertion that human CO2 outmuscles natural cycles is clearly bogus.

And which natural cycle might be having an impact?

Well, NASA now warns we could be heading for something like the infamous 'Maunder Minimum" when the sun went so quiet in the Middle Ages that the world froze.

 

“Sunspot magnetic fields are dropping by about 50 gauss per year,” says Penn. “If we extrapolate this trend into the future, sunspots could completely vanish around the year 2015.”

Additionally, a study last month in the Journal of Climate found solar influence on climate change has been underestimated and is far from 'negligible' as claimed by the tumbleweed brigade.

Who'd want to be a Greenpeace or Oxfam activist, trying to beat this catastrophic global warming story up into something scary?

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[Global Warming]

SOME species of Australian birds are shrinking and the trend will likely continue because of global warming, a scientist said.

Janet Gardner, an Australian National University biologist, led a team of scientists who measured museum specimens to plot the decline in size of eight species of Australian birds over the past century.

The research, published last week in the British journal Proceedings of the Royal Society B: Biological Sciences, found the birds in Australia’s southeast had become between 2 per cent to 4 per cent smaller.

Over the same century, Australia’s average daily temperature rose 1.3 degrees Fahrenheit (0.7 deg C), with the sharpest increase since the 1950s.

Source:- http://lifeofearth.org/2009/08/global-warming-shrinks-birds.html

[peter]

Speaking of Global Warming, here is an interesting link:

http://www.examiner.com/x-11748-Jefferson-County-Conservative-Examiner~y2009m9d5-Vanity-Fair-interviews-Levi-Johnston-about-Palin-family

[AcidComments]

Of interest:

Recent Peer-Reviewed Research Confirms Arctic Warming Due To Natural Causes - CO2 Global Warming Found 'Not-Guilty' By Experts

http://www.c3headlines.com/2009/09/recent-peerreviewed-research-confirms-arctic-warming-due-to-natural-causes-global-warming-found-notg.html

Greenland Warming Unprecedented: Ooops, New Study Confirms That 1919-1933 Warming Was 33% Greater Than 1994-2007

http://www.c3headlines.com/2009/08/greenland-ice-sheet-warming-33-greater-ooops-new-study-confirms-that-1919-1933-warming-was-33-greater-than-1994-2007.html

MSM Reporter Exaggerates Greenland Ice Loss By 25 Times; Fabricates Fear Stories For Copenhagen That Newest Research Refutes

http://www.c3headlines.com/2009/09/msm-reporter-exaggerates-greenland-ice-loss-by-25-times-fabricates-fear-stories-for-copenhagen-that-.html

[AcidComments]

Also of interest:

Holocene Fluctuations in Arctic Sea-Ice Cover

What was learned
Since the early Holocene, according to the findings of the six scientists, sea-ice cover in the eastern Chuckchi Sea appears to have exhibited a general decreasing trend, in contrast to the eastern Arctic, where sea-ice cover was substantially reduced during the early to mid-Holocene and has increased over the last 3000 years. Superimposed on both of these long-term changes, however, are what they describe as "millennial-scale variations that appear to be quasi-cyclic." And they write that "it is important to note that the amplitude of these millennial-scale changes in sea-surface conditions far exceed [our italics] those observed at the end of the 20th century."

http://www.co2science.org/articles/V12/N32/C2.php

Surface Mass Balance of the Greenland Ice Sheet

What was learned
The modeling work of the seven scientists, as they describe it, showed "total annual precipitation in the Greenland ice sheet for 1958-2007 to be up to 24% and surface mass balance up to 63% higher than previously thought," with the largest differences occurring in coastal southeast Greenland, where they say "the much higher resolution facilitates capturing snow accumulation peaks that past five-fold coarser resolution regional climate models missed."

http://co2science.org/articles/V12/N33/C1.php

[peter]

Acid Comments and Ian too

Here are a couple of useful links for you:

http://www.notstupid.org/

http://www.ageofstupid.net/

A useful movie "The Age of Stupid". It is in the cinemas now - have you seen it.

[AcidComments]

"A useful movie "The Age of Stupid". It is in the cinemas now - have you seen it."

Peter,

So far I've seen the Trailers and what was on Close UP about it a few weeks abck.

Age of Stupid is a good name for it. You'd have to be stupid to believe in waht I saw of the over dramatised tripe!

[AcidComments]

Of interest:

Indian Scientists Call UN Glacier Retreat Claim Unscientific
Aug. 28, 2009 (EIRNS)—Disputing the forecast made by the United Nations body studying global warming, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), which warned in early May that the glaciers in the world's highest mountain range could vanish within three decades, V.K. Raina, a leading glaciologist and former Additional Director-General of Geological Survey of India (GSI), claimed recently that the issue of glacial retreat is being sensationalized by a few individuals. Raina, who has been associated with the research and data collection in over 25 glaciers in India and abroad, debunked the theory that the Gangotri glacier is retreating alarmingly. He maintains that the glaciers are undergoing natural changes which are witnessed periodically.

http://www.larouchepub.com/pr/2009/090828india_warming_fraud.html

[AcidComments]

Of interest:

Arctic ice proves to be slippery stuff
The extent of the sea-ice is now half a million square kilometres more than it was this time last year, says Christopher Booker.

BBC viewers were treated last week to the bizarre spectacle of Mr Ban
Ki-moon standing on an Arctic ice-floe making a series of statements so laughable that it was hard to believe such a man can be Secretary-General of the UN. Thanks to global warming, he claimed, "100 billion tons" of polar ice are melting each year, so that within 30 years the Arctic could be "ice-free". This was supported by a WWF claim that the ice is melting so fast that, by 2100, sea-levels could rise by 1.2 metres (four feet), which would lead to "floods affecting a quarter of the world".

Everything about this oft-repeated item was propaganda of the silliest kind. Standing 700 miles from the Pole, as near as the stubbornly present ice would allow his ship to go, Mr Ban seemed unaware that, although some 10 million square kilometres (3.8 million square miles) of sea-ice melts each summer, each September the Arctic starts to freeze again. And the extent of the ice now is 500,000 sq km (190,000 sq m) greater than it was this time last year – which was, in turn, 500,000 sq km more than in September 2007, the lowest point recently recorded (see the Cryosphere Today website). By April, after months of darkness, it will be back up to 14 million sq km (5.4 million sq m) or more.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/
christopherbooker/6143587/
Arctic-ice-proves-to-be-slippery-stuff.html

[John B]

Its great that the "load of bollocks" people seem to have far better and more credible information on the key things like ice coverage than the other side. Some UN politician spouting off is not credible information. Still, while there's money to be fleeced and power to be weilded the mega rich and the left (you can't tell the pigs from the men) won't let it go.

[Philip]

Thank God! It's all O.K.! Here I've been worried for years about the negative effects humankind has been having on the planet, and I needn't have been concerned at all. It doesn't matter that we keep spewing Co2 etc into the atmosphere, or destroying forest cover , or depleting the world's resources. We can keep doing just as we like and not be concerned about the consequences. Because we are above all other species and the planet is here for us to use and abuse if we wish. I can see now that the values of caring for the planet and its inhabitants are completely irrelevant. I can pursue my individual wishes to my heart's content. I didn't realise that all these years I had actually been a victim of the insidious plot to take over the world. I'm so relieved! I don't need to care any more. I'm free at last!

[peter]

Philip .. you forget just one thing .. INTELLIGENT DESIGN!!

I don't know where Ian Wishart is with this theory these days, he may have gone off it just like everybody else.

However not so many years ago, he seemed convinced that if "micro evolution" pushed the planet to far in the wrong direction, then a creationist "macro evolution" would take place, care of an Intelligent Designer.

The 'goddidit' brigade of "God of the Gaps" fame are a risk to us and this is something you would appear to understand.

Ha Ha Ha !!!

[peter]

By the way DO LISTEN to the interview on this site:

http://www.abc.net.au/rn/lifematters/stories/2009/2667271.htm

Phillip you will be interested I know

[Philip]

Oh,God!What am I to do? Having slept on it I realise that I'm not free at all. I now have to decide what to do about all my 'greenie' friends and colleagues. All this time I thought they were good people, but now Ian has cast a terrible shadow over them. Are they simply stupid "dingbats"(to quote Ian)like me, or are they agents of the power-hungry cabal which aims to take over the world? Now I feel paranoid and suspicious. I used to be guided by optimism and compassion and care for all beings. I've spent my life helping people and the planet, but now Ian has shown me that I've been stupidly trusting,and the people I've looked up to and respected are probably power-hungry cynics who simply use me for their own ends. Who can I trust now? Perhaps the leaders of multi-national companies like Shell? Perhaps they are really the good guys after all.

[John B]

Relax Philip, you're being silly. Just don't get true sensible greenies and people generally who really care about the planet confused with political pinkies in green camouflage. Ian isn't saying rape the planet. He's saying don't get fleeced when it won't make a difference. Lifting the world's poor out of poverty would make the biggest difference in even the short term and be vastly cheaper as well but no, we'll collapse the global economy instead.

[AcidComments]

David Bellamy denounces man-made climate change

Professor Bellamy is calling for more balance in the climate change debate.

“Why won’t Al Gore stand up and have a head-to-head with some of the people? He won’t.”

Professor Bellamy also wonders how Mr Gore can be carbon-neutral. “How can anyone be carbon neutral? He flies around. He flouts the truth. If you looked at his famous DVD, there are 25 very, very dodgy statements politically.”

http://www.3news.co.nz/David-Bellamy-denounces-man-made-climate-change/tabid/420/articleID/
120303/cat/58/Default.aspx

[sam]

Acid Comments, I do hope that whenever you post up something new, you are posting it on ‘Hot Topic’ also. It might be a good idea; a subject without debate is rather boring. I’m sure the guys at Hot Topic might need some new thoughts (sometime, I'm sure).

[peter]

Going back to the original post by Ian:

" Then a new study by the oceanographers at Woods Hole has ridiculed Michael Mann's hockey stick and its many variations .. "

Full marks Ian! I have just read this in the book by Gareth Morgan - "Poles Apart".

Everybody else has moved on.

Ian also mentions "greenhouse theory". The Earth IS a kind of greenhouse. The debate is over the contribution coming from mankind and the impact of that. I

Oh and Morgan's book is very good. Fair to all.

However he did say that he had to look well outside NZ to find any high ranking scientist prepared to back the deniers of climate change.

The deniers and sceptics are slowly slipping out of sight, deeper into their quagmire.

AaaaaaaaaaaaaaaH! Help!

[George]

Don't do humour Peter. You aren't any good at it.

Stick with angst, puerility, and poorly argued party-lines and your trademark spite towards right wing Christian fundamentalists.

[robk]

Philip
"Thank God! It's all O.K.! Here I've been worried for years about the negative effects humankind has been having on the planet, and I needn't have been concerned at all. It doesn't matter that we keep spewing Co2 etc into the atmosphere, or destroying forest cover , or depleting the world's resources. "

If you could only do ONE of these things, economically, would you a) stop spewing CO2; b) stop deforesting; or c) minimise or slow depletion of the world's resources?

Your comment above is a weak, straw man argument NOT designed to get to the truth of the matter. A cheap laugh now, but wait till there is $1400 to $3000 a year being sucked out of YOUR pay packet.

[robk]

Peter
Did someone give you a brain, (like you asked for) yet? :-D