CRU says leaked data is real

UPDATE: The link to TGIF is further down this email, but we have now posted a new story on this growing scandal which you can read here after you've finished perusing the information below.

The director of Britain's leading Climate Research Unit, Phil Jones, has told Investigate magazine's TGIF Edition tonight that his organization has been hacked, and the data flying all over the internet appears to be genuine.

In an exclusive interview, Jones told TGIF, "It was a hacker. We were aware of this about three or four days ago that someone had hacked into our system and taken and copied loads of data files and emails."

"Have you alerted police"

"Not yet. We were not aware of what had been taken."

Jones says he was first tipped off to the security breach by colleagues at the website RealClimate.

"Real Climate were given information, but took it down off their site and told me they would send it across to me. They didn't do that. I only found out it had been released five minutes ago."

TGIF asked Jones about the controversial email discussing "hiding the decline", and Jones explained what he was trying to say….

More on this breaking story in TGIF Edition tonight…

UPDATE: to save any further emails from the eager as our deadline looms…TGIF will be out in about two hours…midnight NZDT

UPDATE: Just burning PDF and Flash documents, moments away

UPDATE FINAL: The link is now live at the TGIF Edition link above, underneath the Breaking News heading

For your viewing pleasure...here's why you don't need to take these climate clowns seriously:

Comments

[yourpissing_meoff]

How embarrassing it must be that the global warming crowd, or as I refer to them, mental patients, can get away with a scandal so huge? I think it's time that we take the King of Global Warming, Al Gore, to court and sue that SOB for all he's got. Not to mention, all the scientists and officials trying to force this onto people worldwide. they should also pay with their jobs and their cash. If you truly believe in global warming, then, you too, must be a mental patient. But, if this is truly a naturally occurring thing, then we need to send a message to these SOB's that they cannot get away with this.

[getstaffed]

An unknown person put postings on some climate skeptic websites that advertised an FTP file on a Russian FTP server, here is the message that was placed on the Air Vent today:

"We feel that climate science is, in the current situation, too important to
be kept under wraps.

We hereby release a random selection of correspondence, code, and documents"

I wonder if that suggests there's more to be released, drip-feed style?

[sf]

Odd--commenter R2D2's post is dated Nov 21 at 10:10 am. It's now Nov 20th at 19:17 Central Standard Time in the U.S. Is this site taking its time from Japan or something? GMT or UT now would be around 0117 or so on 21st, IIRC.

[sf]

Ah, sorry, didn't realize y'all were Aussies. First-time visitor. S'cuse!

[Jalaluddin Morris]

Maybe the conspirators are simply kissing their venal helpers goodbye after having done an excellent job.

[Jalaluddin Morris]

Must Reads:

A Convenient Lie, by Al Bore.

How the West Was Snowed, by A. B. Rass Mung Ky.

[Jalaluddin Morris]

From the time stamps it appears that the server is based on Pago Pago.

[ropata]

This site is based in New Zealand, not Aussie or New Guinea!

BTW well done Ian. Hope we can force our Govt to rethink its unsustainably expensive ETS

[Bamm Bamm]

Go Ian !!!

Keep up the Good Work! You really need a Medal for all you have done on this.

I would be giving Perter Gluckman a quick call at home right about now asking for his perspective on NZ's $92,000 per person expense SCAM on something that doesn't exist!!!!

This MMGW fiasco has to stop.

PS: Getstaffed - this will be just the tip of the iceberg.
What you will see is that there is collusion between government, public figures, academics - and the financial side.

[Anon]

Now the hacked data has been other there a while there are details starting to appear.

Apparently in one email, Phil Jones tells his team to delete any emails about IPCC's AR4 report.. before an official imformation request (called a FOI in UK).

[Anon]

Someone has uploaded all the emails into a keyword searchable format.

http://www.anelegantchaos.org/cru

Happy hunting!

[Anon]

Someone has uploaded all the emails into a keyword searchable format.

http://www.anelegantchaos.org/cru

Happy hunting!

[BammBamm]

Hmmm - Ben Santer.

) Suggested Reviewers to Include

Please list the names of 5 experts who are knowledgeable in your area and could give

an unbiased review of your work. Please do not list colleagues who are close associates,

collaborators, or family members. (this requires name, email, and institution).

Tom Wigley [1]wigley@xxxxxxxxx.xxx NCAR

Ben Santer [2] Lawrence Livermore

Mike Wallace [3] U Washington [May not be most

responsive]

Dave Thompson [4] Col State Univ

Dave Easterling [5] NCDC

Sincerely,

Grant

[BammBamm]

LLNL - wow! Ben Ben Ben ...

From: Ben Santer To: "Thomas R. Karl" Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: [Fwd: concerns about the Southeast chapter]] Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 09:34:10 -0700 Reply-to: santer1@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Cc: Virginia Burkett , Thomas C Peterson , Michael Wehner , Karl Taylor , peter gleckler , "Thorne, Peter" , Leopold Haimberger , Tom Wigley , John Lanzante , Susan Solomon , "'Philip D. Jones'" , carl mears , Gavin Schmidt , Steven Sherwood , Frank Wentz

Dear Tom,

I'm inclined to agree with Mike. Some people are accessible to rational scientific debate. They are good Bayesians - when confronted with new scientific information, they are capable of modifying previously-held views. John Christy is not accessible to rational scientific debate. New evidence does not cause him to change his views. He simply claims that the new evidence is wrong. From John's perspective, any datasets in disagreement with UAH-based estimates of tropospheric temperature change constitute "bad data".

John is incapable of recognizing and admitting that Douglass et al. used a flawed statistical test to reach incorrect conclusions. He continues to misrepresent the analyses we performed in our response to Douglass et al. I don't see what useful purpose can be served by trying to engage him in reasonable scientific debate.

At the Hawaii IPCC meeting in March, John stood up in front of an audience of IPCC Working Group I Lead Authors and attempted to portray himself as a victim of scientific discrimination. He claimed that his "alternative" views on the nature and causes of climate change were being ignored by the mainstream scientific community. This claim is bogus. The "mainstream" scientific community has not ignored the "alternative" views of folks like John Christy. The sad reality is that we've wasted an inordinate amount of time responding to the flawed science and incorrect claims of John and his colleagues.

I'm hopeful that I won't have to waste much more time on the "great satellite debate". In my personal opinion, we're already well past the point of diminishing returns on this debate. The point of diminishing returns was reached three years ago, when you overcame great obstacles to lead a fractious bunch of scientists to the successful completion of the first CCSP Report.

With best regards,

[BammBamm]

http://www-pcmdi.llnl.gov/about/staff/Santer/index.php

[Nantucket Nat]

I've been reading books on Climate Change and other "green" issues for some 12 years now.. I had hoped something like this would finally happen.. The truth will set you free they say.. Now Gore can fly his Jet "guilt free".....LOL

[Hobby Hunter]

well done gored to sunlight maybe the the sun has got his hat on hip hip hura

[CW]

People, before you glorify Ian - look at his background and history of inaccurate factual statements. I believe the man is rightfully skeptical about issues (everything needs to be backed!) but has lost his way in proving he is right. It would be interesting to know where he sourced this information from and if he (as with what UEA is being accused)is filtering out/tricking/hiding information.

But I guarantee, a simple wiki search of Ian will make you think twice about the validity of his words.

[johan]

Historic data on temperatures are found by carbondating technics on fossil vegatation.

[MrTips]

Ahm

CW

It's not Ian saying it. It's the emails that have been released and Phil Jones who confirmed it - and not just to Ian.

Pathetic.