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Dave

Great job Ian. Hopefully the "mainstream media" will start to realise that if they continue spouting their warmist propaganda with no regard for accuracy or balance, their viewers will tire of it and simply vote with their remotes

fletch

Yeh, it's actually painful to sit through all that Copenhagen reporting daily and listen to the platitudes ("this is the last chance to save the Earth"). What a crock.

Shane Ponting

You came across well I thought Ian, Gareth not so much....

CM

Haven't seen it yet, but those polls are obviously not particularly accurate. For a start TVNZ viewers are much more likely to be conservative (and therefore inclined to disbelieve anything that could be construed as a massive socialist conspiracy). But more significantly only those who have strong feelings will vote, and those who fear the implications are going to have much stronger feelings on the issue.
Just saying.

djp

Ian actually produces information to back up his claims whereas Gareth Morgan just repeats the same appeal to authority fallacy over and over... it is no wonder anyone with an individual thought wouldn't vote for his views

Lemonade

Even TV1 seemed biased, giving Gareth more airtime. How can a multi-millionaire not see the truth. Former skeptic, too. Well done Ian, will it be front page news in the Herald? Yeah, right...

BammBamm

And here is more trouble - see it before it gets pulled off

http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=tCAffMSWSzY#t=28

BammBamm

A few excerpts from the Climate Research Unit's leaked emails:

0876437553 - "I am very strongly in favor of as wide and rapid a distribution as possible for endorsements. I think the only thing that counts is numbers. The media is going to say "1000 scientists signed" or "1500 signed". No one is going to check if it is 600 with PhDs versus 2000 without. They will mention the prominent ones, but that is a different story."

0942777075 - "I've just completed Mike's Nature trick of adding in the real temps to each series for the last 20 years (ie from 1981 onwards) amd from 1961 for Keith's to hide the decline."

1254108338 - "So, if we could reduce the ocean blip by, say, 0.15 degC, then this would be significant for the global mean - but we'd still have to explain the land blip."

1089318616 - "I can't see either of these papers being in the next IPCC report. Kevin and I will keep them out somehow - even if we have to redefine what the peer-review literature is !"

0843161829 - "I really wish I could be more positive about the Kyrgyzstan material, but I swear I pulled every trick out of my sleeve trying to milk something out of that."

1107454306 - "The two MMs [McIntyre and McKitrick] have been after the CRU station data for years. If they ever hear there is a Freedom of Information Act now in the UK, I think I'll delete the file rather than send to anyone."

1109021312 - "Don't any of you three tell anybody that the UK has a Freedom of Information Act !"

1210341221 - "2. You can delete this attachment if you want. Keep this quiet also, but this is the person who is putting in FOI requests for all emails Keith and Tim have written and received re Ch 6 of AR4. We think we've found a way around this."

1212073451 - "Can you delete any emails you may have had with Keith re AR4?"

1228330629 - "If he pays 10 pounds (which he hasn't yet) I am supposed to go through my emails and he can get anything I've written about him. About 2 months ago I deleted loads of emails, so have very little - if anything at all. This legislation is different from the FOI"

1114025310 - "Ch 4 has swallowed this hook, line and sinker and it is really a Ch 6 issue. Ch 6 wasn't even aware of it. Can't decide who on Ch 4 knew about it as Oerlemans isn't there and the Swiss Glacier people didn't know about the paper 2 weeks ago when I saw them. I like the curve as does Mike Mann, but its not for any scientific reason."

1106322460 - "Proving bad behavior here is very difficult. If you think that Saiers is in the greenhouse skeptics camp, then, if we can find documentary evidence of this, we could go through official AGU channels to get him ousted."

The following quotes are listed on the website of the US Senate Committee on Environment and Public Works:

"I am a skeptic... Global warming has become a new religion."
- Nobel Prize Winner for Physics, Ivar Giaever.

"Since I am no longer affiliated with any organization nor receiving any funding, I can speak quite frankly... As a scientist I remain skeptical."
- Atmospheric Scientist Dr. Joanne Simpson, the first woman in the world to receive a PhD in meteorology and formerly of NASA who has authored more than 190 studies and has been called "among the most preeminent scientists of the last 100 years."

"Warming fears are the worst scientific scandal in the history... When people come to know what the truth is, they will feel deceived by science and scientists."
- UN IPCC Japanese Scientist Dr. Kiminori Itoh, an award-winning PhD environmental physical chemist.

"The IPCC has actually become a closed circuit; it doesn't listen to others. It doesn't have open minds... I am really amazed that the Nobel Peace Prize has been given on scientifically incorrect conclusions by people who are not geologists,"
- Indian geologist Dr. Arun D. Ahluwalia at Punjab University and a board member of the UN-supported International Year of the Planet.

"The models and forecasts of the UN IPCC "are incorrect because they only are based on mathematical models and presented results at scenarios that do not include, for example, solar activity."
- Victor Manuel Velasco Herrera, a researcher at the Institute of Geophysics of the National Autonomous University of Mexico

"It is a blatant lie put forth in the media that makes it seem there is only a fringe of scientists who don't buy into anthropogenic global warming."
- U.S Government Atmospheric Scientist Stanley B. Goldenberg of the Hurricane Research Division of NOAA.

"Even doubling or tripling the amount of carbon dioxide will virtually have little impact, as water vapor and water condensed on particles as clouds dominate the worldwide scene and always will."
- . Geoffrey G. Duffy, a professor in the Department of Chemical and Materials Engineering of the University of Auckland, NZ.

"After reading [UN IPCC chairman] Pachauri's asinine comment [comparing skeptics to] Flat Earthers, it's hard to remain quiet."
- Climate statistician Dr. William M. Briggs, who specializes in the statistics of forecast evaluation, serves on the American Meteorological Society's Probability and Statistics Committee and is an Associate Editor of Monthly Weather Review.

"For how many years must the planet cool before we begin to understand that the planet is not warming? For how many years must cooling go on?"
- Geologist Dr. David Gee the chairman of the science committee of the 2008 International Geological Congress who has authored 130 plus peer reviewed papers, and is currently at Uppsala University in Sweden.

"Gore prompted me to start delving into the science again and I quickly found myself solidly in the skeptic camp... Climate models can at best be useful for explaining climate changes after the fact."
- Meteorologist Hajo Smit of Holland, who reversed his belief in man-made warming to become a skeptic, is a former member of the Dutch UN IPCC committee.

"Many [scientists] are now searching for a way to back out quietly (from promoting warming fears), without having their professional careers ruined."
- Atmospheric physicist James A. Peden, formerly of the Space Research and Coordination Center in Pittsburgh.

"Creating an ideology pegged to carbon dioxide is a dangerous nonsense... The present alarm on climate change is an instrument of social control, a pretext for major businesses and political battle. It became an ideology, which is concerning."
- Environmental Scientist Professor Delgado Domingos of Portugal, the founder of the Numerical Weather Forecast group, has more than 150 published articles.

"CO2 emissions make absolutely no difference one way or another... Every scientist knows this, but it doesn't pay to say so... Global warming, as a political vehicle, keeps Europeans in the driver's seat and developing nations walking barefoot."
- Dr. Takeda Kunihiko, vice-chancellor of the Institute of Science and Technology Research at Chubu University in Japan.

"The [global warming] scaremongering has its justification in the fact that it is something that generates funds."
- Award-winning Paleontologist Dr. Eduardo Tonni, of the Committee for Scientific Research in Buenos Aires and head of the Paleontology Department at the University of La Plata.
http://freedominacage.com/email_leaked_global_warming_hoax.html

Leon

That multi-millionaire most likely has vested interests in a carbon trading scheme.

Paul A Norman

Check out www.googlesyndicatedsearch.com/u/ncar?sa=Search&q=solar+eastern+pacific

USA's The National Center for Atmospheric Research is only just coming to terms with the effects of solar variations on world's climate.

Paul A Norman

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2009-07/17/content_11725374.htm

"When the sun's output peaks, it has far-ranging and often subtle impacts on tropical precipitation and on weather systems around much of the world," said NCAR scientist Gerald Meehl, the lead author of the report.

MrTips

CM
Do you get paid to write such nonsense or do you do it for free?
Seriously
You are a nihilist

CM

>>>Do you get paid to write such nonsense or do you do it for free?<<<

Devastating critique. If I did get paid would you include anything of substance?

BammBamm

Don't worry CM - I will pay you!

At least your cynicism is appreciated by some.

ropata

Hi Ian, you can embed the interview now, it's on Youtube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Of11Y_ct418

Chuck Bird

Ian, you did well considering unfair discreption of you as someone into conspiracy theory. I have not heard you ever promoting conspiracy theories like man never landed on the moon. The description was very unfair. On the other hand they made no mention of Gareth Morgan being involved in carbon trading as I believe is the case although I cannot a give source.

CM

>>>Don't worry CM - I will pay you!<<<

I'll forward my One World Bank account details. Or perhaps you could just buy me carbon credits?

>>>At least your cynicism is appreciated by some.<<<

Ta. I frequent denier sites because I do try to apply skepticism to both sides of the argument. I don't see any point only looking to support the direction I lean in.

CM

>>>Ian, you did well considering unfair discreption of you as someone into conspiracy theory. I have not heard you ever promoting conspiracy theories like man never landed on the moon. The description was very unfair.<<<

Possibly because he authored a book with 'Conspiracy' in the title, in addition to his climate change narrative involving degrees of conspiracy (and One World Government aims).

robk

Chuck

Of course some conspiracy theories are rubbish, some are true.

For example it seems almost certain that the writers of some of those e-mails were conspiring to dupe the public. The question is - what is the real data, and what does the real science say?

I agree the interviewer appeared to be quite condescending in his use of 'conspiracy'... and his reaction to the poll result was pretty funny! Maybe it shows how isolated some MSM people are?

BammBamm

I'm not a real conspiracy theory believer.

However - fix your eyes upon this - The Danish Text:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/12/09/2765792.htm

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