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Kapow

But according to the MSM propaganda channel on tonight's news - weather is different to climate.
How long will these fools continue with their blind faith in such nonsense. The Emperor is not wearing any clothes, open your eyes!

LordFlashHeart

http://www.google.com/

Go to google and type in "Christianity is"..

Look what comes up... Same thing happens with Buddhism, Judaism etc etc ..

Then try it with Islam.

CM

And North-east America, Canada, North Africa, the Mediterranean, and south-west Asia have all seen temperatures above normal – in many places by more than 5 °C, and in parts of northern Canada, by more than 10 °C.

Isn't cherry-picking fun.

Fletch

A site, Popular Technology, has gathered together news stories from all of last year (375 story links to be exact, including TVNZ) that show many records were broken in 2009 for new low temperatures. And it’s supposed to be warming up?

Link: http://www.populartechnology.net/2010/01/global-cooling-in-2009.html

Fletch

ps, Eat that CM :)

Fletch
2009 was another year of global cooling, which saw numerous low temperature and high snowfall records smashed. The Dutch canals froze over for the first time in 12 years, record cold came to Al Gore's home town and ironically a blizzard dumped snow on the Copenhagen convention where world leaders met to try and stop global warming. It was so cold that even the BBC was forced to ask, what happened to global warming? As Climategate would reveal, IPCC scientists had been hard at work hiding evidence of global cooling. Yet the observational evidence cannot be ignored.
CM

Sorry Fletch but as soon as a I see a site with graphs that start at 1998 I don't look any further. It's so patently misleading. You can enjoy cognitive dissonance on your own.
Based on just your quoted section, the first questions you should ask:
(1) How many hot records were there?
(2) Overall was the planet warmer or cooler?
(3) Did the BBC ask 'What happened to global warming' or was it a single weatherman?
(4) Where is the evidence that 'global cooling' has been hidden?

BammBamm

Nice of you to ask CM.
Ask Phil Jones about the hiding of data,

Fletch

CM, well don't look at the graphs, I am just pointing out the surfeit of cooling news stories from last year (the links underneath). Graphs or no graphs, that is documented evidence of massive cooling. Add to that the story today of 'cold stunned' turtles coming ashore in South Florida, which hasn't happened in 20 years.

It isn't just 'skeptics' making these claims. Back in September at a climate conference in Geneva, a scientist (one of the top contributers to reports used by the IPCC) admitted we were in a cooling period -

[Prof. Mojib Latif of Germany's Leibniz Institute] is one of the leading climate modellers in the world. He is the recipient of several international climate-study prizes and a lead author for the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC). He has contributed significantly to the IPCC's last two five-year reports that have stated unequivocally that man-made greenhouse emissions are causing the planet to warm dangerously.

Yet last week in Geneva, at the UN's World Climate Conference--an annual gathering of the so-called "scientific consensus" on man-made climate change --Latif conceded the Earth has not warmed for nearly a decade and that we are likely entering "one or even two decades during which temperatures cool."

The global warming theory has been based all along on the idea that the Atlantic and Pacific Oceans would absorb much of the greenhouse warming caused by a rise in man-made carbon dioxide, then they would let off that heat and warm the atmosphere and the land.

But as Latif pointed out, the Atlantic, and particularly the North Atlantic, has been cooling instead. And it looks set to continue a cooling phase for 10 to 20 more years.

"How much?" he wondered before the assembled delegates. "The jury is still out."

But it is increasingly clear that global warming is on hiatus for the time being. And that is not what the UN, the alarmist scientists or environmentalists predicted. For the past dozen years, since the Kyoto accords were signed in 1997, it has been beaten into our heads with the force and repetition of the rowing drum on a slave galley that the Earth is warming and will continue to warm rapidly through this century until we reach deadly temperatures around 2100.

While they deny it now, the facts to the contrary are staring them in the face: None of the alarmist drummers ever predicted anything like a 30-year pause in their apocalyptic scenario.

Latif says he expects warming to resume in 2020 or 2030.

In the past year, two other groups of scientists--one in Germany, the second in the United States--have come to the same conclusion: Warming is on hold, likely because of a cooling of the Earth's upper oceans, but it will resume.

But how is that knowable? How can Latif and the others state with certainty that after this long and unforeseen cooling, dangerous man-made heating will resume? They failed to observe the current cooling for years after it had begun, how then can their predictions for the resumption of dangerous warming be trusted?

My point is they cannot. It's true the supercomputer models Latif and other modellers rely on for their dire predictions are becoming more accurate. But getting the future correct is far trickier. Chances are some unforeseen future changes will throw the current predictions out of whack long before the forecast resumption of warming.

That's it really: they think it will start warming again in 10 or 20 years, but they don't know; in much the same way they thought the warming trend would continue but didn't.


Link: http://www.calgaryherald.com/business/Scientists+pull+about+face+global+warming/2010571/story.html

CM

>>>CM, well don't look at the graphs,<<<

Perhaps you should check out what you're promoting before you do the promoting then. Massive red flag.

>>>I am just pointing out the surfeit of cooling news stories from last year (the links underneath). Graphs or no graphs, that is documented evidence of massive cooling.<<<

It's cherry-picking. Plain and simple. There is no analysis there. At all. I can link to stories about Iraq that don't mention the war and would that prove that there is no war?
Stop being so silly.

>>>I am just pointing out the surfeit of cooling news stories from last year (the links underneath). Graphs or no graphs, that is documented evidence of massive cooling.<<<

If a turtle trend develops then it may mean something. Otherwise, you're just falling for cherry-picking twaddle.

You've fallen for the Latif misrepresentation too I see. Try looking a bit further afield then just denier places. You can actually watch his presentation and you can see first-hand how you've been sucked in again.

The warming trend is continuing. Those who don't misrepresent and cherry-pick know that full well.

CM

>>>Nice of you to ask CM.
Ask Phil Jones about the hiding of data,<<<

What data has he been hiding then BammBamm? Go on, enlighten me.

Leon

CM you are either very well brainwashed, a complete tool, or a troll, and I suspect you are a troll.

Leon

Are you totally blind CM?
No your a troll, or very very stupid.
Or both.

Fletch
The warming trend is continuing.

1. Prove it.
2. Prove that's it's CO2 caused by man.

I've read/seen nothing that proves it to me so far.

CM

>>>CM you are either very well brainwashed, a complete tool, or a troll, and I suspect you are a troll.<<<

Why not all three?

CM

>>>Are you totally blind CM?
No your a troll, or very very stupid.
Or both.<<<

Why are you so desperate to avoid the specifics?

CM

>>>The warming trend is continuing.
1. Prove it.
2. Prove that's it's CO2 caused by man.

I've read/seen nothing that proves it to me so far.<<<

Back up the truck and answer my questions first. Or are you simply unwilling to do so?

CM

>>>The warming trend is continuing.
1. Prove it.<<<

http://www.realclimate.org/images/model09.jpg

"now that we have come out of the recent La Niña-induced slump, temperatures are back in the middle of the model estimates"

AcidComments

Impact of Global CO2 Emissions On U.S. Temperatures? Not Much, Close To Zilch
Source here. The official 2009 U.S. temperature was 53.13°F. The official 1900 U.S. temperature was 53.53°F. This is not the global warming Jim Hansen, Al Gore and the devoted had in mind when they claimed that the billions of tons of CO2 humans were pouring into the atmosphere would turn the world into an oven.

http://www.c3headlines.com/2010/01/impact-of-global-co2-emissions-on-us-temperatures-for-the-last-100-years-its-about-zilch.html

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