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Interestingly the US Army recently rewrote it's Interrogation Manual.

FM 2-22.3 Human Intelligence Collectors Operations. (Formerly FM 34-52 Intelligence Interrogation).

John Boy

I still think the Yanks are simply dumb or incredibly arrogant to play into the hands of Islamic zealots like this when they could achieve things without adding fuel to the fire.

I wonder if they do these stupid things by design or are they just consistently incompetent?


What is this all about:

"Lynndie England and Charles Graner were two wretched individuals from Red America who were trying to act out the fantasies of Blue America."

I thought they were in the US Military and did some things they should not have. End of story. You can't be segmenting your military into political colours and few would do so.

The Shrub

A tired rehash of his ridiculous thesis that liberals were responsible for 9/11. This just absolute drivel Andrei. D'Souza has no credibility whatsoever. He manages to write an entire book missing completely clearly articulated core al-Qaeda goals, so wrapped up in his culture war with the left that he misses the critical reason as to why they hate us.

And now this crap.

" Lynndie England and Charles Graner were two wretched individuals from Red America who were trying to act out the fantasies of Blue America. Casting aside all traditional notions of decency, propriety and morality, they simply lived by the code of self-fulfillment. If it feels good, it must be right. This was bohemianism, West Virginia-style."

seriously that is one of the most ridiculous statements I've ever read. You don't seriously believe it?


What is the "critical reason they hate us" Shrub? Please do tell.

I wonder if you have read Ian's article on David Benson Pope's extra curricular activities or looked at a Robert Mapplethorp exhibition.

The Abu Ghraib photo's are relatively tame in comparison.

How well do you think that sort of stuff goes down in West Virginia?

Not very well I'd be picking. Which of course is is the author's point.

The Shrub

Bin Laden has been precise in telling America the reasons he is waging war on it. None of the reasons have anything to do with tehir freedom, liberty and democracy, or for that matter their loose morals but everything to do with US policies and actions in the Muslim world.

To say that bin Ladens main beef is with America's corrupt cultural left is complete nonsense.


Hate to say it Shrub...really do, but No.

As someone who was studying al Qa'ida well before 9/11, and the only NZ media organisation to actually put a journalist inside Afghanistan's hotzone when the US invaded...I can promise you that al Qa'ida's issues have b-all to do with territory and policies, and everything to do with culture wars.

If you'd actually bothered to read our 18 page special investigation in the current issue, you'd even see the overwhelming amount of time Wahhabists spend lecturing Muslims about the godless liberal infidels...and the almost nil time they spend discussing the presence of US bases.

There are plenty of Muslims who've written on the subject...but I particularly like these:

You will find the first one is virtually a manifesto for the creation of one world Islamic state. And sure, while the issue of Western "colonialism" is raised, it is merely a rallying point for the wider jihad, which is against Western beliefs.

The presence of America is not resented because it is America, it is resented because they are godless infidels.

Of course if Graner and England were professors at an elite liberal arts college, their videotaped orgies might easily have become the envy of academia. If they were artists staging these pictures in a loft in Soho they could have been hailed as pioneers and encouraged by leftist admirers to apply for a grant from the National Endowment for the Arts.

Because of course professors at elite liberal arts colleges are queuing up to perform sexually deviant faux torture performance art works on non-consenting individuals. And lo and behold, their university ethics panels wave them right along. (See you in the dungeon later on, eh, sport?)

That's the irritating thing about D'Souza. I do not recognise these liberals of whom he speaks.

On the other hand, before he takes his knee-jerk swipe at liberals, I think his article made a good point. Extremist Muslims do engage in culture war rhetoric. It's a simple way to rally the base, and allows unscrupulous leaders (who may not even be true believers themselves) to tap into inexhaustible reservoirs of outrage and anger. The answer, however, isn't for the West to abandon its freedoms (of expression, of speech, of religion, etc.) but to show Muslims that these freedoms do not spell the end of the world, just the end of their simplistic view of the world.

Some Muslims in the West will not be able to take that courageous step (witness those few women who adopt the burqa), but they are outnumbered by far by Muslims who embrace the freedoms of the West.

The Shrub

"The presence of America is not resented because it is America, it is resented because they are godless infidels."

So you're as dumb as D'Souza, what a surprise. Also as irrelevant and one doesn't need to wonder very hard why Osama is still wondering the wilds of outer Pakistan a free man when you lot are more focused on internal culture wars than fighting the real enemy.

Such mind boggling stupidity I've rarely come across.

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