Ok, after we've all had a guffaw about broads and chicks and everything else the story entails, there remain some much more significant points people need to get their feathers ruffled about.
The relevance of the Broad allegation is not, primarily, whether he was the person responsible for the bestiality video screening.
Instead, the savvy reader will notice that Broad has now confirmed 1) that a bestiality video was definitely screened at a police party, and 2) that Broad felt so intimidated by the prevailing police culture in Dunedin at the time that he didn't do anything about this criminal act.
THIS IS RELEVANT BECAUSE: the wider magazine begins its major coverage with revelations that a child sex, bdsm and bestiality ring was being run by the father of a Dunedin police officer at the time (now Tauranga's police commander).
IT IS RELEVANT BECAUSE: the police investigation into the ring was quashed by order of Dunedin police bosses, despite prima facie evidence being obtained, and with the connivance of Police National Headquarters. Howard Broad's late decision to acknowledge the wider police culture is directly relevant to all this.
Broad's admission that a bestiality tape was screened for Dunedin police is also relevant because of the allegations from much more recently (2000), that videotapes exist of police gang raping a woman who'd been tied down, and that one police officer named in the magazine was also filmed having sex with a dog.
IN OTHER WORDS, Broad's admissions to date lend circumstantial weight to the credibility of Investigate's report (not that it needed it but corroboration is always a welcome extra.)
These other allegations and other major revelations in the magazine, largely ignored in the media coverage on Day One, are much, much more serious than watching a bestiality video.
In the earlier post http://briefingroom.typepad.com/the_briefing_room/2007/05/a_taste_of_the_.html
you will read snippets that each, of themselves, would be dynamite on the front page of the Herald on any other day. Allegations that police threw a party where cocaine flowed like water and where a cat was chopped up on a barbecue. Allegations from a totally unrelated sex worker that Dunedin police had a deal to get free sex from brothels in return for turning a blind eye to organised crime.
Any one of those snippets would be a 60 Minutes "exclusive" on its own.
But even more than this inherent police corruption, are the allegations that police fabricated murder charges to shut down witnesses prepared to testify against them.
These are the bigger issues. They go right to the very heart of the integrity of our justice system. Howard Broad is a sideshow. Predictably he got the media attention, but the story is much much bigger.
For all those mentally-challenged commenters on other blogs who resort to ad hominem attacks on myself or Investigate, here's a suggestion. Debate the evidence. My story is easily falsified. So falsify it. That's what blogs are for.
Get Tim Barnett to confirm he was never present when these damning allegations were laid out seven years ago.
Labour Party flunkies who hide behind the Government's "no comment" line on Investigate, yet like to take a crack at Investigate from the sidelines, show they don't have the balls for the challenge.
And my advice to my fellow bloggers is simple...keep coming back to the central questions. When, if ever, did the Government become aware of any specific allegations about Dunedin police corruption and sexual misconduct? Either Wishart is wrong, or he's right. Which is it?
Lament alert...
Can anyone believe some of the comments from liberals over at DPF ? The latest line seems to be that butt raping an animal is less of a sin than eating animal flesh as part of ones diet.
Is this how far we've descended ? - fools who are prepared to well, almost legitimise bestiality ? Is necrophilia next ? Sorry "posthumous love"
Posted by: Shout Above The Noise | May 13, 2007 at 10:01 PM
posthumous love! briliant.
There is no knot the left cannot tie themselves into to weasel out of any and all problems. Of course Ian, you have given them a get out of jail free card AGAIN by allowing debate to centre around another fat bent cop. It is the govt cover ups that you need to steer debate too.
Posted by: Barnsley Bill | May 13, 2007 at 10:18 PM
Why are you surprised Shout?
Didn't you see that incest post a week or so ago? And the comments it attracted.
In any case it derails the conversation from the very real issues at hand, the point being made in this post.
Posted by: andrei | May 13, 2007 at 10:20 PM
Actually Shout, I think a lot of the comments on Farrar from about 8.44 p.m. on are Labour trolls trying to disrupt the thread. Its gone completely puerile, which will turn the casual reader off (and people are coming to blogs since the MSM is not interested).
Posted by: sg5 | May 13, 2007 at 10:52 PM
I see from that DPF thread that Ben Wilson had the same thought that struck me when reading the allegations summary: how odd that the Police are only corrupt when Labour's in power.
Turning an investigation of Police corruption into a blatant party political propaganda exercise only invites people to ignore the investigation's results. Just a thought for future investigations...
Posted by: Psycho Milt | May 14, 2007 at 07:03 AM
So Mr puffy blob Howard Broad is not prepared to be put to the sword, so bestiality porno is now acceptable and on the menu at all cop shops. This puts a new perspective on things for me as a victim of sinister police corruption (RIP mum). The corruption is bad when you have a gun fired at you and then you ring police and the dickwack on the other end tells you to go f..k yourself and go back to Disneyland . What about false arrest on Christmas day – locked up –let out – dam computer glitch. These bastards are pure filth and disgusting sordid animals but what would you expect under the corrupt regime of the despot mongrel puss ridden whore Klark.
Great now the meathead dor brain cops can play copulating and baton the kentucky fried chicken while watching porn videos titled deep fried throat, and the last tegal in paris. Police integrity is laughable and anybody is totally disillusioned if they think that the public will view this matter as trivial. To Mr Broad – you are a perverted scumbag dog who needs a good thrashing!!To Sandra M , our next pig commissioner , hope Peter D is not going to the toilet in Hagely today !!
What a cess -pit of lies this country has become !!
Posted by: dad4justice | May 14, 2007 at 07:28 AM
Ian, D4J represents exactly the constituency you're going to get with this kind of propaganda - does it feel good?
Posted by: Psycho Milt | May 14, 2007 at 07:39 AM
psycho milt - so the commissioners sordid behaviour is acceptable from your perspective ?
Posted by: dad4justice | May 14, 2007 at 07:44 AM
I watched the news on TV last night after reading the magazine during the day and my thought was, "that's all? That's all the MSM is commenting on?" The bestiality video (as Ian has said above) is as nothing compared to other allegations; however, the public will now think that's all there is to the story.
I wish the MSM would have the guts to do some real reporting. I mean, the Bain case is relevant here as well.
Posted by: Fletch | May 14, 2007 at 08:44 AM
Dad4justice: the commissioner's preference in porn videos is none of my business, as long as he keeps it to himself - which he was doing until Ian came along. Now review your own sordid ravings in the comment immediately above mine, sordid ravings that you did not keep to yourself, but saw fit to put in a public forum to disgust your fellow citizens. You've succeeded in making Broad look dignified by comparison, and any non-partisan reader turning up on this thread is going to see that garbage and think "Yawn - just another Labour hate-fest."
Fletch: my comment at 7.03am suggests why the MSM aren't jumping on the bandwagon...
Posted by: Psycho Milt | May 14, 2007 at 09:04 AM
Actually Milt the video incident which is getting all the attention occurred in 1981 when National was in power and had been for some time.
Posted by: andrei | May 14, 2007 at 09:18 AM
Call me old fashioned psycho milt, however these latest allegations about a sordid police culture , straight ontop of rapist pigs saga, Bain, Haig tragedies Liam Ashley , 111 calls and taxis etc…etc…the list is endless matey !! It is obvious even to the silly socialist sympathiser like yourself that something is seriously wrong, but they seem trivial compared to the negligence of our liarbour politicians. To know about these historical activities from a top cop cannot be ever be successfully argued as being in the best interests of kiwi society. As a constituent I am appalled that ministers of the crown said “ she’ll be right mate”, did they not think that this would come back to bite them hard? How long can the unscrupulous liarbour party defend the indefensible over genuine grievances the public has - with issues such as political accountability and police integrity?
Posted by: dad4justice | May 14, 2007 at 09:41 AM
Indeed Andrei, the events we're talking about (which are par for the course for police forces in most Western countries) took place under both National and Labour govts - so it would have been a good idea to take a non-partisan approach.
Posted by: Psycho Milt | May 14, 2007 at 10:01 AM
Wipe your chin milt you're dribbling crap.
Do you have ANY evidence that National party MP's participated in the deliberate concealment of amoral and corrupt activities?
Posted by: Murray | May 14, 2007 at 10:54 AM
Joe Karam was interesting on the radio this morning. It sounded to me like he was marching to a similar tune.
Posted by: John Boy | May 14, 2007 at 11:29 AM
There is still plenty of other information yet to come to light that indicates corruption by MP's from BOTH sides of the political spectrum. Only a full independent Royal Commission of Enquiry will see the full extent of corruption, as the truth is revealed.
It may be hard for many to have their 'rose-tinted' view of the main political parties shattered, but if we are ever to see solutions applied and problems solved, we must go where others fear to tread.
Posted by: Kelvyn Alp | May 14, 2007 at 11:44 AM
Yes,Joe Karam described on morning report how a police women from Dunedin was raped and sodomised by someone in the CIB down there in the early ninties.
This women confided to Karam the helplessness of fighting the Police and I think moved to Australia.
Posted by: towaka | May 14, 2007 at 11:51 AM
What a sad little country. Full of sex obsessed religious nutjobs and foul mouthed angry twerps like Murray.
Posted by: getalife | May 14, 2007 at 12:15 PM
Getalife - don't forget me, please, as I enjoy regard for the law, but also, I have a distinct advantage of not being bound to give effect to strict legal rights or obiligations , or to technicalities . That means I war without fear !!
Posted by: dad4justice | May 14, 2007 at 12:22 PM
Hey getalife - do you know the story about Inspecter Doyle got a job in China ? Talk about vile and sick behaviour , still plenty to come yet silly person .
Posted by: dad4justice | May 14, 2007 at 12:42 PM