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peter

The anchor that is missing in this highly unusual case may be a good home life?

Reminiscent of the Bain murders in some ways. I do recall that Dad Bain was a Christian missionary? Mum also a Christian fundamentalist?

The case of Graham Capill also comes to mind.

The dysfunctional family exists in and out of religion.

kiwitrouthunter

always ready to throw the christians under the bus arent you peter.

ZenTiger

Pedophiles are bad enough. But pedophile murderers corrupting children? That is true evil.

It is hard to resist an evil response to such depravity.

I think being made a clearer of landmines in areas where children could again play, for the rest of his miserable life would be highly appropriate.

pacman

I am not a fan of peters but I have to agree that this rote line of "non-christians have no higher being to guide then and therefore no moral code" is weak and tiresome. The majority (not the scumbags) of NZers are not be practicing cristians and have no problems telling right from wrong.

peter

Kiwi Truth Hunter

Go right back to Ian's first post where he asks what anchors the offending family had?

I merely made the point that you can have all the anchors you like. But the worst case is where you have the anchors but they fail to constrain you. It is behaviour, not lofty ideals, that will effect people's perceptions.

kiwitrouthunter

ok firstly peter it is kiwitrouthunter ok not "truth" hunter. i dont need to look for the truth anymore as i have found it. secondly the reason i made comment was because it just seemed like you were taking another swipe at christians by listing only christian examples. And ideals lofty or otherwise do affect perceptions and behaviour.

Paula

Hey Peter,

Qns: If a couple of people
took your surname, and told the world they were related to you, and were using the 'stolen identity',
would you find it not strange that the world
attacked YOU because YOUR relations were bad eggs

Paula

Pacman

God said He put His lawns into our hearts to know right from wrong.

Some choose to follow that, others don't (obviousy)

Christians/Jews acknowledge
whom we believe 'put them there' and acknowledge Him,
while trying to follow, not just for our own god, but the good of those around us.
We call this WISDOM.

Much like the child that wants to honour his/her parents, and not dishonour them, as a bod child would.

The outcome is evident in
the article I posed on
Christ the teacher, on the
results of following 'either' of those paths in the Netherlands

peasant

He put His lawns into our hearts

:o)
I thought that the Garden of Eden was analogous to a human heart..

Paula

Yeah yeah peasant.

I made a lot of spelling mistakes.

He put his LAWS into our hearts.

Rudy

HiPacman - "The majority (not the scumbags) of NZers are not be practicing cristians and have no problems telling right from wrong."

That begs the question - from where do they get the ability to differentiate "right" from "wrong"? And on what basis do you define "right" and "wrong"?

A pedophile thinks he's right. On what basis can you jusge him to be wrong? Why is your opinion more valid than his?

Peace.

paul Litterick

Amazing, isn't it? New Zealanders don't get their get their morals from church and yet New Zealand is a much safer and less crime-ridden country than the USofA, where over half the population attends church regularly.

Maybe this says somehting about the efficacy of religion as a means of transmitting moral values.

Rudy

Hi Paul Litterick,

"Maybe this says somehting about the efficacy of religion as a means of transmitting moral values."

What utter nonsense.

Explain this:

Saudi Arabia:

0.3 murders/100,000 pple
0.3 rapes 100,000/pple

NZ:
1.1 murders/100,000 pple
21 rapes/100,000 pple

Source: http://www.unodc.org

Saudi Arabia is a much more "religious" country than NZ. It is also safer.

By your logic, it seems Islam, a religion mind, is very good at transmitting moral values...

Peace

Danyl Mclauchlan

Since rape victims in KSA can recieve the death penalty for adultery I'd suggest that it might be slightly unreported.

Psycho Milt

In any Middle Eastern country you need to think carefully before reporting crimes to the Police - if it turns out the criminal comes from a family or tribe with a lot of influence, you're buying yourself a shitload of trouble. Expect consistent under-reporting of crimes.

dad4justice

Forget the middle East psycho as talking about crimes ,criminal politicians, twisted MP's , cover -ups and cop outs , isn't it so EVIL that the NZ Labour Government supports so much CORRUPTION.

fergus

I think one of the reasons that crime in Saudi Arabia is so low is also because its a barbaric theocratic and heavily policied state. Consider their methods of punishment.

So no, not necessarily a good means of transmitting moral values.

Also these laws seem to be in the majority of people's hearts naturally. It's once again the question of whether these are necessary to the functioning of a compex society and to some extent a gift of evolutionary altruistic traits and thereby predating religion not deriving from it.

peter

One of the prices of greater freedom is the willingness of citizens to take risks, including risks associated with crime.

Saudi Arabia may be (like Singapore) low on crime, but do we want to live in virtually a police state?

Self-reliance as part of freedom is more valued in the United States than here. But again, do we want to encourage their levels of crime?

dad4justice

Silly communist supporter Peter fails to understand that NZ crimes levels per head of population are comparable and in some areas surpass American levels . It is evil that the socialist stealth model ideology - which infests NZ - does not to recognise this !

robk

Paul

You say "Amazing, isn't it? New Zealanders don't get their get their morals from church and yet New Zealand is a much safer and less crime-ridden country than the USofA, where over half the population attends church regularly.

Maybe this says somehting about the efficacy of religion as a means of transmitting moral values."

Do you have any statistics on whether it is primarily the church - going half or the non - church going half that are committing the crimes?

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