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peter

Yes Ian

There is some really wacky stuff in TBR.

Reference is made above to

"responsible citizens who participate in a democratic and pluralistic society"

I don't see that this requirement has ever been different - it is just that we did not want to face the reality.

And using homeschooling to brainwash your children does them no favours. Get the kids into state schools, and leave the religious studies to recreational time on Sunday if you can spare that.

robk

My wife and I were visiting the local state primary school (in the mid eighties) when we were considering home schooling our three children, and were shown through some classrooms. As it turned out it was approaching "Hallowe'en" and the rooms were festooned with pictures the kids had drawn: witches; goblins; ghosts and other such rubbish.

While it was all meant to be 'fun', it helped cement our resolve to do the job ourselves and not until the end of their primary schooling did we send them off to the state secondary school.

In home school we taught them Phonics, Maths, Art, History and other lifestyle based learning (gardening, music etc.) YES PETER we also taught them that God is there and He is not silent!

At secondary school they received the usual mixture of good and bad 'learning opportunities' and they survived. Thank God our country has not yet followed the lunatic German example and we were free to keep our children away from the 'brainfilthing' of the state school, until they were old enough to recognise it for what it is...

Peter, in our experience the great majority of homeschoolers (Christian or not) are giving their kids a very rich and useful 'learning experience' because they love their children and want the best for them.

Matthew

Peter,

"And using homeschooling to brainwash your children does them no favours. Get the kids into state schools, and leave the religious studies to recreational time on Sunday if you can spare that."

So you're the source of all truth now: "[we're] brainwashing [our] children". Thank you for enlightening me, I must make sure I meekly follow your greater wisdom in these important matters.

"Get the kids into state schools". Yes sir, I must obey the commandment from on high. Hopefully you'll overlook the error of my ways and give me once more chance to get them in.

"leave the religious studies to recreational time on Sunday if you can spare that". I'll do my best, but you might be right: I'm not sure I can spare that time.

Don't throw your pearls before swine as otherwise you might return empty handed. Those that need to understand this will, the others will remain clueless .

dad4justice

When Ena Sharples refers to a "brave new world" he must be referring to a country where a father can bash his twin baby boys to death with a blunt instrument, then have a piss up that halts a police investigation and gives the scum of the earth time to concoct an alibi. Along with his Beelzebub family they all get bail for being double homicidal maniac's and they are gifted two tax payer funded lawyers , the Smith gang namely Michele Wilkinson -Smith and Lorraine. TV coverage is cool bro as its good stuff promoting the dynmanics of the Maori Family , while the mother of the brutally butchered babies can say to the nurse at the hospital treating her twin sons “ I don’t give a shit. I’m going , I need my sleep ”. All this while a brave new Maori Party MP goes walkabout in Aboland bleating on about Australian child abuse. Did anyone telling these deluded fools that New Zealand has the third highest statistic’s for children infanticide and sexual abuse ? Now thats brave bro eh !!!

dad4justice

I meant the dynamics of a dysfunctional Maori family , meanwhile brave bros steal a body from a grieving South Island family and bury him up North . The pall bearers all wear gumboots at the bro funeral and they all get pissed while mum and son are mortified . Brave new world . Go blast a NZ flag with a shotgun , jail by lunchtime ONLY if you are a whitey bro @!!

John Boy

Lord Blackstone still makes sense even after all these years. I wish men of his ilk were still about.

Fletch

and leave the religious studies to recreational time on Sunday if you can spare that.

Peter, the thing is that religion is not a 'recreation', as you term it; it's a way of life that you lead and is something that should inform every decision you make in everyday life (and I'm not saying I'm so perfect that I do, but I try to).

Is it 'brainwashing' to bring your kids up to morally do the right thing?
No doubt you'll come back and say that it's brainwashing them to believe that there is a God, but is it? I would rather know (and yes, I know) that there is someone out there who made me and loves me and has my best interests at heart; someone I can pray to any time.

Or (as the state would have it) is it better to tell a child that they came into this world by accident, that they have no purpose except a self-assigned one, that they better enjoy life because when they die there is nothing coming after because they'll just be dirt in the ground. I would rather a child know that his (and all life) is sacred and created by someone out of love. You can tell by the number of abortions in this country what the state thinks of the sanctity of life. The new smacking bill has nothing to do with preserving life; it's all about state control.

I've no doubt that Helen and co. would have tried to go the way of Germany, but they're getting voted out next year.

Matt L

And using homeschooling to brainwash your children does them no favours. Get the kids into state schools...

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...

Good when Pete... good one...

Paula

Trouble is Peter,

We should have the choice whether we have our children
brainwashed in state schools into the secular humanistic religion.

We choose NO.

Ryan Sproull

Yes, you should have the choice, and you do have the choice. The Green Party reckons that alternative schools, including religious schools, should get state funding. What do you guys think?

John Boy

Its a catch 22 Ryan. They already fund schools like Steiner and Catholic but there's a bunch of strings attached that make sure the state still gets what it wants in respect of times of attendance and curriculum.

I'm sure Steiner and mainstream Christian schools could be left virtually alone and still turn out wonderful and rounded people. They are not going to ignore the 3 R's and I suspect the outcomes would be adults who question more than most. The Govt would hate that. We may get something called democracy spring up.

dad4justice

Ryan, The greens do not believe mothers and fathers are the same why should I trust these utopian creeps , don't boys and girls go to school ? No wonder self esteem levels are so low for boys as this gender bias government is criminally culpable of unlawful male discrimination .Look at the problems created by govt. with the new age disorder = fatherlessness. The greens are history come election time !!

Ryan Sproull

John,

I'm all in favour of questioning. Personally, I think that critical thinking should be taught at high school, rather than being an option for those who go on to university.

Matt L

Ryan - I agree the fundamentals and principles of logical and critical thinking should be taught. As long as it isn't used to persuade any agenda - whether christian, homosexual, alien-believing, left, right, agendas and anything in between.

Barbara

We agree with Judge Roy Moore, who we have met.

"Blackstone spoke of a timeless truth when he said that an undisciplined child grows up to be an undisciplined adult, "like a mere beast, to lead a life useless to others and shameful to himself." If we allow the state to erode parental authority over discipline and education, we will reap, among other things, higher crime and even lower morality in the next generation. Abandoning God's unchanging law is a sure way to really see the times "a-changin'," but not for the better."

We need to get our children out of the State Schools and train them up ourselves. It is the parent's responsibility to train up their own children to be disciplined adults.

For more information on Home Education visit
http://www.hef.org.nz

Matt L

About funding for alternative schools.

I thought there was a funding process? It involves checks and balances to ensure that the quality of education and teaching is of at least the same standard then what is being taught in a state school.

I could be wrong.

Can you clarify what it is that the Greens are wanting to introduce?

Funding for a non-state school without the checks and balances?

robk

Barbara
Hi! Well done backing up home schoolers.

Great web site :-)

AcidComments

"And using homeschooling to brainwash your children does them no favours. Get the kids into state schools, and leave the religious studies to recreational time on Sunday if you can spare that".

The State School system provides the best of all time 'brainwashing' of our children.

No wonder we have so many individuals going off the rails in society.

I remember my time in the NZ state school propaganda machine.

Todays youth don't stand a chance as the old propaganda machine has really reached an all out high in our schools.

Infact I know some teachers who're thinking of quitting, because of what they're expected to indoctrinate their students with.

Craig

If one were to read the Education Act, one would find that state schools are not required by law to teach anything in particular. They must be open, children must attend, the instruction must be entirely of a secular (nonChristian) character, but the schools are not legally required to teach reading, writing, arithmetic or anything else. Children are not required by law to learn anything or to be educated: they are only required to be enrolled and attend.

There are no standards. Talk of standards and checks and balances is a joke: the entire MoE is a way to keep kids off the streets and many people employed as expensive baby sitters. The late Professor Emeritus Graham Nuthall of the University of Canterbury wrote in March 2004: “Put simply, the education system is a fraud.”

Get a life for yourself and your children: rescue them from the government's schooling institutions of PC propaganda and educate them yourself at home.

peter

Barbara

Be careful of Judge Moore when he/she says:

'Blackstone spoke of a timeless truth when he said that an undisciplined child grows up to be an undisciplined adult, "like a mere beast, to lead a life useless to others and shameful to himself." '

There are countless examples where the disciplined child develops into an undisciplined adult - much to the disappointment of parents.

The reason is obvious. Where discipline is EXTERNALLY applied to the wrong victim - you find when the external discipline is removed that you find self-motivation lacking as well.

While I like one to one learning and I know its efficiency, I would much prefer to send a child to a state school with his/her peers, than imagine that I was equipped to compete with our dedicated teaching professionals.

The existence of God is a proper question to consider at a school - within the context of education in Philosophy.

But loading up a child with a whole lot of information that can not be substantiated is irresponsible. Just because you believe something - how does that oblige your child to believe the same thing.

And if your child told you one day that they found religious education boring and probably fictional, would YOU do the decent thing and pull them out of it?

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