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Footnote: I believe issues like this are close to home for many potential Family Party constituents. Hence the style of their ad (below).


Hear, hear.


Well said. And those facts that you quote are hard to get away from. As Gordon Copeland has said, the left do recognise that the poor should be cared for, but they fail to recognise that personal actions do have a societal consequence. Meanwhile the right are the opposite. That's one reason Christianity is so different to the prevailing political spectrum of "left", "centre" and "right". It is parts of all of them and more, which is quite consistent with Jesus' own statement that "My Kingdom is not of this world".


Great post. You hit the nail right on the head as regards the Left's shifting (and shifty) morality.

I still shake my head in disbelief that this government which is so feminist could pass a law legalizing a practice that so obviously takes advantage of women; reducing them to mere objects for sexual gratification. Helen, you should hang your head in shame at the disservice you have rendered unto your sex.

As for why, I suppose one only has to read Ian's book 'Absolute Power' and look at the manifesto penned by the Sisterhood in 1973, in which one of the key points is 'All laws victimizing prostitutes should be abolished'.

And who is the victim in prostitution? It certainly isn't the man.

History will look back and see that Helen presided over a decade of shame in her tenure as PM.



You are just as astray in your thinking here as the Maxim Institute. (Come to think of it, why would Fletch or Maxim be better than the other?)

Who is the victim in prostitution? I thought that safely practised there was no victim at all.

Who drives prostitution Fletch

Your analysis of prostitution is just as weak as Ian's.

There is no victim at all. Prostitution is sustained by the custom of males. That is why it is the oldest professions.


peter, prostitution is not 'victimless crime' you'd like to make it out to be. It doesn't only harm the woman, it harms all of society.

With prostitution being legalized in NZ, that makes the Government a pimp because they're making money off it as well, in the form of taxes.

See HERE for some facts about prostitution.

Also, a study by Dr. Melissa Farley points out the following statistics (America):

* 78% of 55 women who sought help in 1991 from the Council for Prostitution Alternatives in Portland, Oregon reported being raped an average of 16 times a year by pimps, and were raped 33 times a year by johns.
* 73% reported having experienced physical assault in prostitution.
* 72% were currently or formerly homeless.
* 92% stated that they wanted to escape prostitution immediately.
* 75% of women in escort prostitution had attempted suicide.
* 67% meet diagnostic criteria for post-traumatic stress disorder.
* Estimates of the prevalence of incest among prostitutes range from 65% to 90%. The Council for Prostitution Alternatives 10 found that 85% of their prostitute clients reported a history of sexual abuse in childhood, while 70% reported incest.

Does that sound victimless?


The left aren't happy unless they're fucking something.


"The average age at which girls enter prostitution is 14 or younger
40% of men who buy women do not use condoms
All research on prostitution tells us that all women have to dissociate emotionally to survive the violation
62 percent reported being raped in prostitution, 73 percent reported physical assaults in prostitution, 72 percent were currently or formerly homeless, and 92 percent wanted to escape prostitution immediately "

Yeah and that's another reason for the growing Drug problem in this country.

Where there's an increase in prostitution there's alway an increase in illicit drug use. They both go hand in hand.

Many prostitutes are regular Drug and P Users. It's the only way prostitutes can 'detach' themselves from their profession. It's a major problem overseas also.

Ryan Sproull

Plenty of people, myself included, are against prostitution and against a nanny state making it illegal.

You can't legislate morality. You can't rely on a government to tell you what's right or wrong. And you can't address the causes of prostitutes by punishing them after the fact.


It is imperative to legislate morality. Whose morality is the question, and in the case of our political overlords it seems the morality of a self-serving populist club all too often overrides the clearly demonstrated (via polls) will of the people.



You CAN'T run a country on referenda or polls alone!

Minorities would be marginalised just as they were when we had less freedoms than we have today.

Greater freedoms produces greater diversity, greater risks, and probably more conflict in times of change too.

It is over to the elected leaders at any time to take best advice, spend the hours at select committees. Uninfluenced if possible by mud slingers whipped into a frenzy on talkback radio or blogs.


You CAN'T run a country on referenda or polls alone!

How do you know that? Nobody has tried it. Democracy itself was conceived to enact the will of the majority; "One man one vote", ya know. It seems to go awry an awful lot when Labour is in power.


Of interest.

If you don't get a copy of the local Aucklander community newspaper.

Here's a few paragraphs from the latest South Aucklander edition.

Corner of Shame:
In Our Own Red Light District Kids Sell Sex on the Streets.

By Debrin Foxcroft:

He feels shame. When clients and friends arrive from throughout the country.
Jit Singh, who owns a print and copy shop at Hunters Corner, has to warn them about the prostitutes that have made their home on the streets of Papatoetoe.

Mr Singh feels unsafe in the face of legalised prostitution. He also feels harassed.

"I have a girl working for me. When she finishes up at night. I don't let her wait outside for a lift", he says. "I tell her to wait inside, otherwise she gets propositioned."

Police and community workers in Manukau have been trying to work out how to tackle the problems related to street-walking and in particular under-age prostitutes.

Toa Greening, Papakura Community Board member and a member of Manurewa Crime Watch, is seriously concerned about the impact of street prostitution on children and communities.

Last month, a five year review report on the prostitution Reform Act was published. It states that prohibiting street-based sex work has never been effective in this country or overseas.

The city council would have to find other methods to tackle the issue.

"I'm actually, a bit gutted they are not going to do anything," says Mr Greening. "The review committee doesn't seem to realise under-age street prostitution is a real problem. They ignore it. It is like they are on a different wavelenghth."

Mama Tere Strickland a community worker and former transgender prostitute, agrees with Mr Greening that large numbers of children are still selling sex.

"There's a demand for wanting them younger. They are less likely to have diseases," She says.

Mama Tere believes nothing has changed since the escort and massage parlour days and that women are still exploited.

"I'am so disgusted with the review committee and its decision" she says.

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