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« Air Con book now in stores this afternoon | Main | Climate expert calls Air Con the definitive book »

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AcidComments


Ian.W good one.

Sounds like Bill McKibben is all 'hot air' anyway.

Like so many of these Al Gore clones. A Big pack of lying fraudsters.

I see Billary Clinton and OBummer are dragging the USA into the CO2 Globull Warming dung heap.

US admits responsibility for emissions to bring big polluters together

Hillary Clinton offers admission to ease obstacles towards reaching agreement at climate change summit in Copenhagen.

The Obama administration issued a mea culpa today on America's role in causing climate change, in a move to get the major economies working together on a global warming treaty.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/apr/27/carbon-emissions-us

Shunda Barunda

I guess Ian must be on to something, he's got the turkey running!!
I'm off to get a copy (if I can find one)

John Riddell

A friend commented that it is always the believers who pull out of the debates. Never the skeptics.

I hope there is still a copy of Air Con in the shops when I finally get around to trying to buy one.

Joey Hill

Bummer about the debate, I'd love to have seen it, but Ian, you were excellent talking to Paul Henry. Very, very good. Congrats on the success of the book so far - I wonder what you'll be working on next?

AcidComments


Prof Bob Carter on NewstalkZB Leighton Smith program just gave Air Con a very good plug.

Freezer

but wait, gareth renowden of hot topic fame is about to debnk you. hope you can sleep at night ian. after all he knows more than bob carter

Ian

Savaged by a Trufflehunter? Yeah, I'm terrified.

I've read Gareth's submissions to the Parliamentary Select Ctte and a few other bodies, and they're embarassing.

He and Bryan Walker seem to labour under the mistaken belief that parroting the IPCC reports makes them "experts" on climate change.

They run the same old tired lines that I've shown to be a crock in the book.

Sigh. Maybe we need to do scientific study on the impact of truffle growing on mental capacity... :)

fletch

Looks like Bill & Co can't handle debating people who actually have the facts - they're used to spouting rhetoric to greenies and the already-brainwashed.

fletch

ps, Borders in Queen St seems to have a big supply if anyone is looking for the book. I think they were selling it for $37-something when I looked.

robk

Just watched 'Sunday' perpetuate the myth of man-caused G.W. What a joke of a program. Evidence for AGW =
a) An island in P.N.G. that is inundated because of the sea levels rising! Why only that one island?? Shouldn't ALL islands be going under? - or is it more likely that one island is sinking... This is kid's stuff!
b) Melting Arctic and Antarctic ice. No mention that the ice has increased in total (See Air Con)

The whole show was a beat up - villagers getting their feet washed, lightning, falling ice.

Ian, your book should be compulsory reading for everyone over the age of 12. (Anyone who can still read, of course.)

Apparently Gareth Morgan shelled out $500,000 of his own money to hire the best scientists money can buy (oops) to research the subject once and for all. Proverbs says "A fool and his money are soon parted". I got far better research for $35! (Thanks)

Incidentally, there was NO interview with any 'skeptic' scientist, just more images of the poor P.N.G. villagers.

Also they claimed 'both [pro and con] scientists agree the warming is caused by the increasing CO2.' Well that's rubbish too. It seems skeptics are saying the Solar warming (sunspots)has caused the release of CO2, not the other way around!

Ian

Yes, Gareth's book on Sunday was pretty tragic, especially the Takuu footage.

As I explained in Air Con, ocean levels vary for a number of reasons relative to land, which can include land subsidence, or tectonic plate movements (Takuu is in the geologically active area of PNG that is prone to massive earthquakes and other trauma.)

A big quake might not have done much more than shake a few nuts out of the trees as far as the islanders were aware, but it could have dropped the island half a metre.

Equally, an earthquake a thousand miles away may have triggered a small tsunami.

The more likely explanation is simply weather systems. Atmospheric pressure (the "Highs" on the weather map) pushes the sea level down which, as all good science students know, means it will rise somewhere else to compensate.

Conversely, falling atmospheric pressure (a Low) can cause sea levels to rise half a metre to a metre (hence the term "storm surge").

As you say, for it to be anything more than a regional weather event we would have to see significant rises worldwide. The idea that a surge across a remote island is proof of global warming when no one, not even the IPCC, is claiming that sea levels have risen more than 20cm in the past century, is ludicrous.

TVNZ's story was dishonest, but they'll have to live with it.

Shunda Barunda

Gareth Morgan realy embarrased himself, that people would believe such poorly produced tripe dosen't give me much hope for humanity.
Global warming is the least of our problems.

AcidComments

"Gareth Morgan realy embarrased himself, that people would believe such poorly produced tripe dosen't give me much hope for humanity.
Global warming is the least of our problems."

Agreed.

It appears he's really a bigger halfwit than I thought he was! More money than sense wasting half million bucks and getting the same old warned out unsubstantiated mantra of manmade globull warming.

Fact is man CANNOT be responsible for 90% of climate change. It is total garbage!

"Yes, Gareth's book on Sunday was pretty tragic, especially the Takuu footage.

As I explained in Air Con, ocean levels vary for a number of reasons relative to land, which can include land subsidence, or tectonic plate movements (Takuu is in the geologically active area of PNG that is prone to massive earthquakes and other trauma.)

A big quake might not have done much more than shake a few nuts out of the trees as far as the islanders were aware, but it could have dropped the island half a metre.

Equally, an earthquake a thousand miles away may have triggered a small tsunami."

Exactly.

Islands do sink and in some cases they can disappear off the face of the map for good. Nothing to do with scaremongering pretend rising sea levels!

Overall the Sunday program was typical MSM garbage propaganda with zero substance!


peter

Meanwhile the ice continues to melt ..

Freezer

Thats right Peter, in the arctic it is melting,bbbbbbbbbbbbb bc it is the melt season. Antartica is growing ice as it is winter.

robk

Don't worry about the ice melting - maybe it will come back?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/the-missing-sunspots-is-this-the-big-chill-1674630.html

Didn't hear this kind of thing on the Sunday program...

AcidComments

"Thats right Peter, in the arctic it is melting,bbbbbbbbbbbbb bc it is the melt season. Antartica is growing ice as it is winter."


And what's laughable about all the doomsayer hype propaganda on Artic Melting. We hear the Artic's melting when it's the Winter season aswell as the Summer season! Will these imbeciles ever make up their minds.

BTW: They don't bother reporting the fact about rapid winter refreezing of the Arctic Ice though do they. Even when it happens to stun even those in the scientific community and this kind of massive refreezing isn't supposed to be happening in the Al Gore's propaganda handbook of Globull warming!

Carl

Hi Ian.

This feels like a safe place to discuss the issues. Although a lot of the comments above occur as rants rather than looking at what is underneath the issues.

I have not read your book, so excuse the question if you have covered it. Do you dispute the fact that recent rises in CO2 levels are due to human activity? (regardless of its relationship with temperature).

One of the scariest things I have come across is ocean acidification. I understand (I will need to find the source) that the pH of the oceans has been between 8.8 and 8.2 for the last couple of million years. It is now at 8.06 and projected to be at 7.9 by the end of the century (assuming a number of things including business as usual burning of fossil fuel, deforestation etc). At 7.9 calcium carbonate dissolves into solution. This means that the bottom of the food chain falls out (crustaceans and plankton create their shells and structure by taking ions in the water and making calcium carbonate). Is this something you discuss?

I also think the blog post above is misleading. I have friends that attended Bill McKibben's talks in different parts of NZ, and Bill was asking people to stand up and take action on climate change. At no point did he say anything about funding any global warming campaign, let alone 'urging people to financially support his new climate change lobby group, 350. ' as you state.
It seems you are guilty of what you are accusing others of being guilty of.

Genuinely interested in your response on CO2 and ocean acidifcation.

Cheers.

Ian

Carl, I don't dispute that human activity is causing a rise in CO2 levels, but to make sur we are not talking at cross purposes, let's see if we agree on the basics.

Fact: In response to forcing, more CO2 [and other GHGs on occasion] is released from oceans, tundra, melting ice etc, which in turn can lead to extra warming and so on.

Are we agreed on this?

Carl

Hi Ian,

I am genuinely not sure on the point you are seeking agreement on (for sake of speed/time- the grammar is unclear to me).

I think you are talking about positive feedback loops. Yes I think these exist and the more GHGs put up, it can spur 'natural'/non-human caused warming.

You may also be stating that what humans are 'emitting' through burning fossil fuel, land-use change (deforestation/agriculture) is less than what is 'released' from oceans, tundra, melting ice etc.
I don't know the numbers on it but assume this is true, AND I would think that what we are doing is permanently changing the composition of something that operates cyclically.

(will have to somehow subscribe to comments to respond for a useful conversation).

Thanks.

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