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peter

I would think that reading about the long shadow of a religious cult would be more interesting.

I wonder which of all the many religions we have is being discussed in this book?

Also a book about sly crooks and crackpots would also be fascinating

robk

"sly crooks and crackpots " I like it...

Or maybe "lies cracks and cowpats"? See http://hot-topic.co.nz

AcidComments

"I would think that reading about the long shadow of a religious cult would be more interesting.

I wonder which of all the many religions we have is being discussed in this book?"

Peter.

It's obvious. Plenty of average Joe Bloggs are buying the book because they're sick and tired of being lied too.


Shane Ponting

Still waiting on my copy Ian, what's the lead time on the orders currently?

notASucker

Just goes to show there is no correlation between book sales and book quality.

When i first read that heading i mistakenly read it as "New Zealand fiction for Non-Adults". ahahaha.

James

Got my copy from Whitcolls yesterday and am up to about page 50.Helen Clarks marriage is thankfully only touched on twice so far and creationism only 10 times...;-)

But seriously its a good,well footnoted read.Its clear and to the point and makes the case for natural climate chnage immpressively.Indeed Ian's references to the Earth being hundreds of millions of years old and cavemen and dinosaurs and sudden expansions of life etc have me wondering if the old boy is slipping in his aderance to the God delusion...?

;-)

Madeleine

Well done Ian! We just had a visitor at our house raving about good Air Con is, he noted particularly that you dealt with material that could be dry and complex like fact and figures and numbers and percentages but your writing style made it both interesting and entertaining and explained the meaning without losing the integrity of the science.

AcidComments

My neighbours who're highly dubious of manmade Climate Change have just bought a copy of Air Con.

Main reason for buying it was they were sick and tired of their younger children running home from school 'half scared' that they were going to be 'drowned' because the Ice is melting and it's all 'man's fault' and the seas are going to rise.

The utter scaremongering tommyrot propaganda indoctrination of Manmade Globull Warming being 'brainwashed' to our children in school is disgusting!

Shunda Barunda

"Indeed Ian's references to the Earth being hundreds of millions of years old and cavemen and dinosaurs and sudden expansions of life etc have me wondering if the old boy is slipping in his aderance to the God delusion...?"

James, there are many christians that don't hold to "young earth" and "flood geology" creation science.
This small, but very vocal group have given the likes of Dwakins more amunition than necessary.
As "young earthers" claim their interpretation of Genesis is the only correct one, then all Dawkins has to do to disprove the existance of God, is prove the earth is old .
The young earthers are just a noisy bunch of legalists that have had far to much air time, there are other much more robust arguments for a creator than what this group offers.
Much like global warming activists, some creationists use the ignorance of the masses to push their tripe.

ian wishart is a [great guy whose work I admire :)]

yep, everyone is sure talking about this piece of [carbon-lifeform byproduct], I mean book, mr ian wishart. How many times you been called a [fantastic dude] in your life?

[Grant, swearing is not allowed, didn't your mother ever teach you to be polite? I can understand if the book was above your reading level, but sadly I can't just publish for the lowest common moonbat.

The really good news is that people are reading Air Con and beginning to realise they've been dosed up on mushroom food by global warming activists like yourself. Game over, old son]

robk

envy will kill you

AcidComments

"envy will kill you"

Exactly.

Or it appears someone has been watching too many reruns of Al 'the Snakeoil salesman' Gore's Inconvenient Truth and has fried the only remaining working Brain cell!

Lost all ability to think for him or herself!

robk

Yeah Acid

I don't suppose this person realises how weak and silly name-calling seems when used as a complete substitute for any kind of meaningful argument.

Madeleine

Guess what I got for mother's day? Now I can read it without delay :-)

robk

nice one Ian, thanks for removing the offensive material :-)

robk

Shunda,
I think you are right that some 'young earth creationists' are dogmatic and have an over simplistic interpretation of the Bible.

Having said this, don't throw the baby out with the bath water - we need both 'young' and 'long' agers to keep working on the evidence so we can find out what is truly true.

I tend towards the 'young' age, as it makes sense to me and fits better with some of the things I can see with my own eyes.

Also Russell Humphries has suggested an interesting idea that when creation was young the highly concentrated mass was like a massive black hole, slowing time down near the centre where earth was, but time would be much faster at the edges - possibly allowing for 15 billion years at the edge of space but only a creation week on earth. No doubt there are big problems to overcome with this - but nothing like the problems associated with a 'no god' beginning of the universe :-)

To me God could have created the universe in seven seconds, seven days or seven billion years. No problem to him. (or me)

Flood geology makes a lot of sense to me - we have seen what a small local catastrophe can do in Mt St. Helens' eruption. Huge floods, canyons, layered strata. Multiplying that by a few hundred thousand and you've got yourself a major reshaping going on.

I don't accept billions of years of death and destruction before Adam, though, I would take a lot of convincing about that.

As you say, YEC are a small group, so they are limited to what new research they can do and spend most of their time interpreting the evidence found by 'long agers'.

Even if they are wrong about some things, I feel they do valuable work picking apart some of the 'just so' evolutionary dogma wrapped around much of lock-stepped contemporary science.

Shunda Barunda

"I don't accept billions of years of death and destruction before Adam, though, I would take a lot of convincing about that."

Adam was NOT the first created being to sin, can you explain to me what the effect of Satans sin was on the pysical realm?, bearing in mind that he and a third of the angels were cast into it before Adam.
Alot had to happen in one day.
I have found many "young earth" christians to be extremely intollerant to any opinion contrary to there own, they seem insecure in there faith, and display some fairly legalistic attitudes that don't help anybody, and bring unnecessary ridicule on the church.

robk

Shunda

"Adam was NOT the first created being to sin, can you explain to me what the effect of Satans sin was on the pysical realm?, bearing in mind that he and a third of the angels were cast into it before Adam."

Satan's sin was evidently in "Heaven" which is a different place / dimension to this created universe. It seems he was 'cast down' to earth and began causing trouble. There is no way I know to tell how long between his 'fall' and Adam's 'fall'.

"Alot had to happen in one day."

You're right about that, though.

"I have found many 'young earth' christians to be extremely intollerant to any opinion contrary to there own, "

You are right. Just that you and I both need to be sure we are not acting like them

"they seem insecure in there faith, "

...or sometimes overconfident in their beliefs - that their interpretations of the bible are 'inerrant'

"and display some fairly legalistic attitudes that don't help anybody, and bring unnecessary ridicule on the church. "

I don't think we need fear ridicule. Ian (for example) has been ridiculed for the claims in all his books, but those who ridicule may turn out to be the fools. Maybe we will know in this life... maybe in the next.

Sometimes the churches and Christians bring ridicule that is entirely justified. What can we learn from this? The unbelievers are not always wrong about everything

Carol Stewart

Well, goodness me, it didn't take long for the debate to stray away from climate science here.

Check out this evisceration of Ian Plimer's book in The Australian, a publication usually quite sympathetic to the denial point of view. Perhaps the tide has turned!

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,,25433059-5003900,00.html

robk

Carol we were just filling in time until you came back :-)

So if Plimer is a nutter then Ian is a nutter... is this what you're saying?

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