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Andrew McIntosh

Good post Ian,

Have just finished reading "The New World Religion" The Spiritual roots of global government by Gary H. Kah

His thesis is along similar lines to that of your book.

A full chapter is devoted to the manipulation of environmental concerns to create an atmosphere through which people will be more accepting of a one world government.


See here for Chucky Chauvel's (Labour Spokesman on Climate Change) unbelievably weak defence of his cap and trade advocacy.

Lawyers (like Chucky) of course are in line to make a killing from this legislation too.

When one witnesses such blind obstinacy, against all valid reason, it makes it easier to believe there could be an ulterior motive.


We've heard all about Gareth Renowden Ian, what about the other Gareth Morgan?

And what is all this paranoia about the United Nations? Are you trying to say that it wants to equip itself to achieve the objectives of the member states?

Amalgamation of countries into bigger entities is hardly anything new. Look at the European Union. Look at the United States of America (half a continent). Look at the federation of states that is Australia. The Soviet Union was another.

It is just like the Auckland supercity and previous local government amalgamations.

All of the above can be viewed as good or bad. Certainly we operate in a global environment these days.

It is not so long ago that to consult with someone in Europe - it took months to sail there. From memory NZ lost Walter Nash for about a year as finance minister at one stage, for this very reason.

Yes, the overall trend has been from nomadic, to city states, to countries, to federations - and some kind of world co-ordination is just another step.

I don't see how 100 per cent participation can be achieved however.


"And what is all this paranoia about the United Nations? Are you trying to say that it wants to equip itself to achieve the objectives of the member states?

Amalgamation of countries into bigger entities is hardly anything new. Look at the European Union. Look at the United States of America (half a continent). Look at the federation of states that is Australia. The Soviet Union was another."

Actually Peter.

You're showing your naivety. You only have to look at history and all the various oppressive Empires and even the Nazi Third Reich and it's aims.

The UN will become the equivelent of the new Roman Empire. All nations eventually under its auspices loose all their sovereignty. They become 'vasal states' to the UN. The UN will administer and control all Taxes, Military, Police and Law Enforcement operations, Environmental management etc.

We the people become the Citizen of the UN. Not the nation of our birth!

The UN is a very corrupt organisation.


Also of interest:

The Climate Change Climate Change
The number of skeptics is swelling everywhere.

The number of skeptics, far from shrinking, is swelling. Oklahoma Sen. Jim Inhofe now counts more than 700 scientists who disagree with the U.N. -- 13 times the number who authored the U.N.'s 2007 climate summary for policymakers. Joanne Simpson, the world's first woman to receive a Ph.D. in meteorology, expressed relief upon her retirement last year that she was finally free to speak "frankly" of her nonbelief. Dr. Kiminori Itoh, a Japanese environmental physical chemist who contributed to a U.N. climate report, dubs man-made warming "the worst scientific scandal in history." Norway's Ivar Giaever, Nobel Prize winner for physics, decries it as the "new religion." A group of 54 noted physicists, led by Princeton's Will Happer, is demanding the American Physical Society revise its position that the science is settled. (Both Nature and Science magazines have refused to run the physicists' open letter.)

The collapse of the "consensus" has been driven by reality. The inconvenient truth is that the earth's temperatures have flat-lined since 2001, despite growing concentrations of C02. Peer-reviewed research has debunked doomsday scenarios about the polar ice caps, hurricanes, malaria, extinctions, rising oceans. A global financial crisis has politicians taking a harder look at the science that would require them to hamstring their economies to rein in carbon.



Even with a more resourced United Nations, there will be tiers of government as there are today.

The European Union for example has not seen the end of the British Parliament or even the Scottish Parliament.

And city councils etc still function.

And in any case, I thought that fundamentalists quite liked the period of the Roman empire - when a primitive form of Christianity was foisted on all and sundry!


"And in any case, I thought that fundamentalists quite liked the period of the Roman empire - when a primitive form of Christianity was foisted on all and sundry!"

Actually Peter.

The Roman Empire enjoyed butchering Christians their for a long time!

Some of the nations they conquered were actually more 'civilised than the Roman Empire!


But the Roman Empire ultimately became the means by which Christianity got pushed out through Europe. And if it was not for the establishment of the Holy Roller Church, then the Reformation would not have Protestests.

Imagine there's no heaven ..


Also of interest:

Buchanan: Climate Bill Will Lead to Transfer of Wealth and Power to World Government

Pat Buchanan on MSNBC during a break in their wall to wall Michael Jackson coverage fear mongering over the energy bill that just passed the House.

Witt: Why doesn't anyone want to call it a climate bill?

Buchanan: Well, because the science is suggesting that maybe all of this isn't really happening or it's not really dangerous or it's not really man made. Barack Obama, the President is right when he said we shouldn't be afraid of the future. That is how this bill got passed through fear. We're all going to change. The climate's going to change. The oceans are going to rise. Our cities are going to be under water.

But more and more scientists are coming forward to say this is a hoax and a scam which is designed to transfer wealth and power from the private sector to the government sector and from the government of the United States to a world government. Which is what we're going to get in Copenhagen when we get this Kyoto two agreement.


I see now that John Key is buying into the scam (see Dom Post, Key Believes That People Are Causing Climate Change), honestly, I am starting to regret ever voting National, they seem no different from Labour. Is no one gong to stand up for what's real? Key seems to eager to appease PC'ness and the media, where is the staunchness of say Rob Muldoon? Oh, to have integrity in our leaders, and what I would love for NZ is a Christian leader. Surely not too much to ask, after all, Australia has one, NZ is still going terribly wrong, in every direction.


Good lord Helena, you want Rob Muldoon back.

Yes he said what he meant, the problem was with what he meant!

You have obviously forgotten about his big fall when everything he propped up was toppling.

Think Big and all that?


Well, the 'think big' Clyde dam has certainly proven a useful item. And the Marsden Point refinery.

But please let's not have another Rob Muldoon! Far too socialist - we can't afford it :-D


Clyde took forever and the merits of Marsden are debatable. NZ Steel is weird.

IAN .. say goodbye to your poster girl Sarah Palin !!

Some say she is still the best hope for Republicans which only goes to show how hopeless they are.


More on Sarah


I do not believe this of Sarah Palin. Could she really be this stupid?


What I liked about Muldoon is that he did not buckle to the pressure of left wingers, etc, he stood up for what he believed in, and led the agenda, rather than following it. He had his good points, staunch, strong and not scared to say no to whinge groups!

Carol Stewart

In fact, Helena, Muldoon was a bully. You're probably pining for Margaret Thatcher as well.


Muldoon was a bit like Sarah Palin.

Here is another interesting article for extreme right wing Christian fundamentalists:


The Religious Right
Strangely Silent on Sanford's Sordid Sex Drama

http://www.alternet .org/bloggers/ /141062/By
Steve Benen

Strange — they usually have so much to say about other people's sex lives.

THE RELIGIOUS RIGHT'S 'WALL OF SILENCE'.... Most of the relevant players have weighed in on South Carolina Gov. Mark Sanford's (R) personal and professional difficulties, but Dan Gilgoff reports there' s one group whose silence stands out.

One week after Mark Sanford admitted to his affair with an Argentine woman — and a day after he called his mistress his "soul mate" and acknowledged further
indiscretions — I'm struck by the total silence of pro-family groups.

The Family Research
Council has been completely quiet on the South Carolina governor's affair. So has Concerned Women for America. Ditto for Focus on the Family.

The wall of silence is all
the more striking given that 10 Palmetto State senators in Sanford's own party have called for him to step down. Does the pro-family movement burn up
credibility if it looks the other way when Republican allies own up to
extramarital affairs?

That's certainly a
reasonable question, though I'm not at all sure the religious right still has "credibility" in reserve.

Either way, the
movement's silence is striking. The afternoon Sanford admitted his affair, the Family Research Council, which had invited Sanford to be a featured speaker at its 2009 Values Voter Summit, moved with lightning speed to remove the governor from the guest list.

But that obviously isn't a condemnation. While religious right groups rarely hesitate to issue
moralistic denunciations about events of the day, they've somehow managed to
give Sanford a pass.

Gilgoff flagged this gem from a book Family Research Council President Tony Perkins wrote:
"As long as we as Christians are willing to tolerate or overlook duplicity in our self-identified party, it will be clear to the world that our allegiance is to a party and not the truth, regardless of what we claim.... [I]f we are
ever to speak as the moral conscience of the nation, we must consistently stand
for a clear set of values and principles, no matter if that leads to a
temporary loss of political power."

I realize that Sanford was as close an ally to the religious right movement as any governor in the country. But if these groups expect to lecture the rest of us about
morality and family values, they should at least offer some criticism
of their close ally.

Steve Benen is "blogger in chief" of the popular Washington Monthly online
blog, Political Animal. His
background includes publishing The Carpetbagger Report, and writing for a variety of publications, including Talking Points Memo, The American Prospect, the Huffington Post, and The Guardian. He has also appeared on NPR's "Talk
of the Nation," MSNBC's "Rachel Maddow Show," Air America Radio's "Sam Seder Show," and XM Radio's "POTUS '08."


Speaking of Sarah Palin, she is keeping herself busy keeping the rumour-mongers at bay:


Hey guys, we're totally off topic now...

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