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Klem

Gore is the devil.

Mike

A little closer to home Niwa's leading climate scientist Dr James Renwick's prediction is, a sea level rise of half a metre by 2050 doesn't sound like much does it? however where I live that would mean the destruction of 12 kilometres of coastal highway costing millions to repair or re-route. The problem being that the highway was built across tidal mud-flats and when the tides in it laps the edge of the road now! so ..... 20 metres ..... 140 metres ..... ish pish .... 6 inches would flood it!

Mike

Its not just the rising sea-levels that will threaten coastal communities but also the storm surge associated with the increased strength of tropical storms because warmer water means bigger storms(storm surge can add 4-5 metres to existing sea-levels)

The latest event of this nature occurred last year and I went for a drive around Raumati and Plimmerton and watched with my own eyes as the waves broke right across the roads and onto the sections of beach-side properties.

A basic risk assessment identifies many at areas that could be effected including Petoneand Killbirnie.

You may not believe that climate change is real but I wouldn't be buying a coastal property anytime soon ......


John Boy

I know Raumati, Plimmerton etc... well enough. Looking at photos of the rail bridge across the estuary gap at Paremata in the late 1800's the land there now appears far more extensive than 100 years ago. Some of it will be man made changes but you only have to look at the coast north of there to see its fragile swamps and dunes that have come and gone over thousands of years. There are layers of sea shells buried in the Pukerura Bay hills hundreds of feet above present sea levels. The south end of Eastbourne was once eroding away but has again built back up over many years with extensive gravel deposits adding significant extra distance between houses and harbour edge. A local moaned the rapidly increasing distance meant they couldn't drag their dingy that far any more. I know of a man that bought for a song the last house on a spit of sand south of Whakatane expecting to use it as a batch for a couple of years before he sea re-claimed it (as it had many others). A year after buying it the hundreds of acres of spit lost over a few years began to rebuild and its now a scrub covered peninsula like it use to be so he got a bargain.
Stuff happens rapidly on coasts because they are the front line of the land / sea interface. Its nice to live there but it has significant risks. Be poor like me, live on a hill inland a bit and stop worrying.

AcidComments


"Stuff happens rapidly on coasts because they are the front line of the land / sea interface. Its nice to live there but it has significant risks. Be poor like me, live on a hill inland a bit and stop worrying."

Exactly.

Coastal erosion is a natural on going process. Some parts of the country loose coastline, while in other areas coastline is gained.

An archeological site in the UK found parts of the UK Coastline was a further 2 miles inland during Roman times than it is today.

Much of these sensationalised over exaggerated sea levels rises are out of Computer models which don't stack up in the real world anyway.

NIWA is a bit of a joke anyway. They often can't get it right either because of their PC AGW/CC bias!

If you look at the data and some of these scenarios. Seriously. You may aswell join one of the UFO Cults or the New Age Earth Changes Brigade as a percentage of these scary AGW/CC scenarios are pretty much out of their book!

"Hopeless. Utterly hopeless. It must be very hard every day continuing to post Chicken Little blogs about catastrophic warming, when the data suggests we've been on a cooling trend, and that some of the icons of UN climate change data turn out to be as scientifically worthless as fakes."

Yep and UNEP got caught with its pants down at the recent NY Climate Change Conference using unproven graphs from Wikipedia in its Climate Change publication!

peter

We are very fortunate that a politician of the standing of Al Gore took this issue on.

He as film maker has a similar standing in the scientific community to Ian Wishart and Gareth Morgan. Which of the three has spent the most time conversing with the scientific community? Which has spent the least?

It is important to remember that the film dates back to 2006. Research marches on rapidly in this area. Likely consequences may have been overstated in the past, but the trend is unrelenting.

Jan

It's simple. Everyone just need to ask themselves.
Do I trust a politician with vested financial interests? Or do I trust the scientists (who are experts in the field ) who are in the same boat as the rest of us.

robk

"but the trend is unrelenting."

Well, that's the moot point. The trend is constantly changing! Or are you saying that the current trend (undisputedly cooling) is unrelenting - going against the AGW doomsayers for a change :-)

peter

Jan

You have come to the right place if you want to find non-scientist with right wing political agendas!

But I agree. I don't put my trust in politicians, wrtiers or publishers - all of whom benefit financially from their advocacy.

I suppose you could excuse Gareth Morgan. He is not noted for left wing liberal views - but in writing his book "Poles Apart" - he realised that the wisdom was all on the Climate Change side.

The BBC news this morning came up with fresh material for the "alarmists".

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8307272.stm

http://news.rediff.com/report/2009/oct/15/arctic-to-be-ice-free-in-summer-say-scientists.htm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7417123.stm

I suppose there will be those among us who will fall on the floor laughing about future problems for the Northern Hemisphere. But New Zealand will play its part.

The deniers of global warming will soon all switch over to the other tack - yes its warming but we can't do a thing about it! [Those that are creationists know how to back away from previous positions]

Ha Ha Ha!!!

AcidComments

You have come to the right place if you want to find non-scientist with right wing political agendas!

The BBC news this morning came up with fresh material for the "alarmists"."

Actually Peter,

I take note of all the scientists including ones who were involved in the IPCC Process who no longer believe in the AGW/CC garbage!

Is that laughable BBC Alarmist link about some of the results from the Idiots at the Catlin Arctic Survey team?

FYI: Catlin is a insurance company that make money out of Climate Change insurance. Not very impartial!


The Catlin Crew failed to reach the North Pole because it was too cold and they had to be rescued. Their measurements were faulty. A Group of German scientist found the Arctic was twice as thick as expected.

NO wonder only Climate Change Alarmist idiots like Prince Charles backed Catlin.

More overhyped drivel from the BBC!

AcidComments

"A Group of German scientist found the Arctic was twice as thick as expected."

Should read:

Arctic Sea-ice twice as thick than expected.

peter

Here is a profile of Pen Hadow who led the expedition to Arctic:

http://www.penhadow.com/profile/general-profile/profile/

Is he really bluffing?

AcidComments

"Here is a profile of Pen Hadow who led the expedition to Arctic:

http://www.penhadow.com/profile/general-profile/profile/

Is he really bluffing?"

His expedition was a failure. He had to be rescued Peter. Despite all the hype.

The Group of German scientists did one of the most comprehensive Sea-ice Mapping measurements from what I can understand that had ever been undertaken approx around the same time the Catlin Arctic Survey Team was floundering in the Arctic!

Sam Vilain

"Give me some time frames here, how realistic is it that we could see a catastrophic breakup and melting in Greenland in this century?" He then quotes their responses: "They cannot rule that out and privately will not".

So what are poor innocent gullible readers supposed to think?

I think we can safely say that this message is being well vindicated by the facts.

If you didn't get your facts on climate change from the climate denial echo chamber you might have picked this up. But we can expect your misinformed codswallop to continue.

AcidComments


"If you didn't get your facts on climate change from the climate denial echo chamber you might have picked this up. But we can expect your misinformed codswallop to continue."

Unfortuantely the New Scientist isn't any better. It's turned into a grossly over exaggerated spin doctor for Climate Change Alarmism!!

Although I see they've started to do some U-turns.

Peeb

So is this blog just an extended ad for Ian's books now? Speaking of bloviators with financial motivations for spinning science, how's tricks?

peter

Yes that is right Peeb.

I've been waiting for Ian Wishart or Acid to attack the Gareth Morgan book "Poles Apart".

I think it is an excellent read. EASY to read too!

AcidComments

"I've been waiting for Ian Wishart or Acid to attack the Gareth Morgan book "Poles Apart"."

Peter,

Since Gareth payed someone else to do most of his research for him.

What does Gareth say the reason is for all the sudden record early unseasonal snowfalls now hittings parts of the Northern Hemisphere. From Europe to N.America?

100yr snow record broken in the Czech Republic. Being one of the very latest ones.

robk

I suspect Gareth was just keeping his wife happy with the conclusion in his book - he said she had been pointing out examples of "Global Warming" for years before he paid good money for a flawed report!

AcidComments


Of Interest:

Study: Best Scientific Estimate of Sea Level Rise By 2100 - Only 9 Inches; Not Enough To Fill Gore's Hot Tub To Knee Level

http://www.c3headlines.com/
2009/10/study-best-scientific-estimate-of-sea-level-rise-by-2100---only-9-inches---2-not-enough-to-fill-gores-hot-tub-to-knee.html

NEW PERSPECTIVE ON GLOBAL
WARMING & SEA LEVEL RISE:
MODEST FUTURE RISE WITH REDUCED THREAT

Madhav L Khandekar1
Climate Consultant Markham Ontario CANADA

ABSTRACT
Sea Level Rise (SLR) in response to the present and future warming of the earth’s
surface is probably the most contentious issue being debated at present. This brief
commentary surveys the most recent literature on ongoing SLR and on the major
factors contributing to future rise. It is concluded that the best guess value of SLR
for the next 100 years is a relatively modest 23 cm +/- 5 cm which poses little
threat to coastal areas of the world either at present or in future.

http://icecap.us/images/
uploads/MLK2.pdf

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