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Thomas Everth

Ian, you are betting high you know. The GW saga will evolve into a conclusive answer as we observe what will be happening around us.

Shall I remind you of one of the several definitions of 'Lunatic'? One of them is that of a person who is drawn to: Howl At The Moon....

Ian Wishart

Droll, Thomas, but possibly the wittiest post you've ever made on this blog :)

robk

"GW saga will evolve into a conclusive answer..."

I was hoping so, but there seems to be more and more muddying of the waters...

The whole thing seems to be leading to our politicians saying "Trust us". Which, of course, is hard to do if you actually think about it.

steve smyth

I prefer ECOBABBLEISM...
as in http://ecobabbleism.blogspot.com
The religion aspect is strong by whatever name.

Thomas Everth

Touche Ian, At least we can share a laugh at the lighter end of the debate ;-)

George

Instead of inventing new words, why not stick with the old tried and true ones?

Lets try 'neurotic'

How about 'hysteric'

But the most apt one, IMHO, is 'paranoid'.

They all denote an obsessive, unrealistic, fear. Having taken over the running of the entire solar system from God, they now find themselves not up to the job. Incompetent in fact, therefore someone else must be to blame. I bet it's those darned fundamentalist right wing Christian climate heretics again.

John Boy

"...lighter end of the debate."
You can be flippant all you like but there isn't one.

CM

I really struggle to understand how accepting the vast majority of the science (and the scientists, the vast majority of whom are not corrupt or incompetent) is somehow more 'faith-based' than rejecting all but a few individual studies that support a preconceived view. Believing that everything will be fine because it's a big conspiracy would seem to be the very definition of faith (being the cornerstone of any religion).

CM

Anyway, who cares. The new religion is FOOTBALL!

AcidComment

"I really struggle to understand how accepting the vast majority of the science (and the scientists, the vast majority of whom are not corrupt or incompetent) is somehow more 'faith-based' than rejecting all but a few individual studies that support a preconceived view."

What's considered a majority viewpoint on this issue?

Scientists being part of the US$79 Billion dollar Climate Change Funding Trough!

Don't agree or go along with research blaming AGW/CC. Then you don't get any funding for research. Simple as that. Or you can't get you peer reviewed research published in socalled esteemed Science publications with an AGW/CC bias unless it links Climate Change to AGW.

Same thing is starting to happen here in NZ. Unless you turn it around and add a AGW climate change component when applying for funding for research. You have a good chance of not getting funding. Know someone who had to do that just to get her science project partly funded.

No wonder science has become more corrupt and incompetent than it used to be!

peter

IAN

After all you have done ..

National led government STILL refuses to listen to you!!

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/3068442/Govt-vows-to-pass-climate-change-bill

Time to get behind "perk buster" Rodney Hide or Heather (school "choice") Roy perhaps?

CM

Acid, that's just the same old conspiracy theory. Where's your evidence?

getstaffed

CM, have a read of this:

http://scienceandpublicpolicy.org/images/stories/papers/originals/climate_money.pdf.

Follow the money ...

twawki

One faith to rule them all

Science and facts dont matter any more

CM

Getstaffed - I'm getting a blank SPPI page. Hope it's not that woeful Joanna Nova 'report'.
'Follow the money' doesn't prove anything. It can provide context, but

>>>>One faith to rule them all

Science and facts dont matter any more<<<<

Certainly the denial industry is relying on your complete ongoing faith. Faith that the actual scientists are incompotent or corrupt (on an unprecedented grand scale). It's irrational for a non-scientist to discard the overwhelming agreement between climate scientists and instead rely on it all being wrong. It's faith in place of rationality.

CM

Also, I'm continually amused by Ian's affection towards Marc Morano, given his willingness to play the man and not the ball when it comes to actual climate scientists that he doesn't agree with.

Morano's site of course being under the umbrella of the 'Committee for a Constructive Tomorrow', a conservative anti-environmentalism think tank.

"Morano served as communications director for the Republicans on the U.S. Senate Committee on Environment and Public Works. Morano commenced work with the committee under Senator James Inhofe, who was majority chairman of the committee until January 2007 and is now minority ranking member. In December 2006 Morano launched a blog on the committee's website that largely promotes the views of climate change skeptics.

Morano is a former journalist with Cybercast News Service (CNS), which is owned by the conservative Media Research Center. CNS and Morano were the first source in May 2004 of the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth claims against John Kerry in the 2004 presidential election [1] and in January 2006 of similar smears against Vietnam war veteran John Murtha.

Morano was "previously known as Rush Limbaugh's 'Man in Washington,' as reporter and producer for the Rush Limbaugh Television Show.."

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Marc_Morano

Yeah, clearly an objective guy not pushing a barrow.

He's just a guy feeding those hungry for misinformation and distortion.

http://conwebwatch.tripod.com/stories/2007/morano.html

fletch

Anyone see in the news that a ship full of tourists going penguin watching was supposed to return two days ago but got stuck in ice? So much for global warming (again). http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33988286/ns/travel-news/

AcidComments

"Anyone see in the news that a ship full of tourists going penguin watching was supposed to return two days ago but got stuck in ice?'

Yep.

Very funny. It was also an icebreaker. :-)

Also of interest:

Chinese schools collapse in snow

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/
asia-pacific/8358162.stm

Heavy snow storms in northern China kill 40

BEIJING – Unusually early snow storms in north-central China have claimed 40 lives, caused thousands of buildings to collapse and destroyed almost 500,000 acres (200,000 hectares) of winter crops, the Civil Affairs Ministry said Friday.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/
20091113/ap_on_re_as/as_china_snow_storms


AcidComments


It looks like.

Al Gore's at it again.

By the way, The Breakthrough Institute and others noticed that Al Gore's new book's opening page says:

I'm offering you the choice of life or death, you can choose either blessings or curses.

A true prophet? :-) Well, we should probably offer him the same, especially the latter. At any rate, you have heard the words of the Anti-Christ and thermodynamic crackpot. Amen.

http://motls.blogspot.com/2009/11/hk-climate.html

CM

Wow, fletch (and Acid by agreement), way to demonstrate you don't even begin to understand the basics of climate change. But hey, why bother understanding when you know it must be evil huh.

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