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Geoff

Hear hear.

An NZ ETS right now makes no economic sense whatsoever. It might even result in increased emissions as we export our manufacturing to less sustainable offshore venues

Mack

Well here we are at last....
Only a couple of months to go before we are all totally stitched up to this ludicrious tax scam. Yes we are going to be world leaders..(or is that laggardly followers). We're going to set the world an example. People overseas have now no doubts that this country is definitely populated by sheep; dumb,quiet,and easily led (conned) by politicians.
But move over the rest of the world,this little country will combat "climate change" on your behalf. All 3 or 4 million of us.
Aahahahahahahahahahahaha

Argh

"We would have nobbled our sovereign economy in a “symbolic display” of national gullibility."

A quote that appeared in Jo Nova's column after Australia dodged their ETS bullet.

Joh Boy

Dream on people.

Having heard Nick Smith on ZB the other evening he claims we are not alone in ETS type schemes and are in fact following many other countries who are trying to meet Kyoto obligations. So, we are not the only dumb people out there after all?

He quoted figures (always reliable) that showed a net loss to the Govt despite ETS (so it wasn't a tax grab) but did get slightly rattled at one point where he had to deviate from his mental script. He was adamant its going ahead so if it Key wants to dump it I think he is now in a difficult position in that he will have to do something with Smith as well. I'm not sure he has the balls to do so and increasingly wonder if there is a well hidden agenda. The weird relationship developing with Maori to open Pandora's constitutional box just reinforces that view.

Geoff

Maybe the Government can buy us all a one-way ticket to Australia.
That's where I'll be heading if this crock goes ahead.

CM

That's a good idea - all deniers should move to Australia. Put your home where your denial is. Because if there is no clmiate change, then Aussie won't suffer at all.

Fletch

Jonky has gone down severely in my estimation. It's like he doesn't know what he is doing.

Geoff

CM, will you please stop using the word "denier"

The ETS makes no sense whatsoever, even if you believe in CAGW.

It will have no measurable result on the climate and will make NZ uncompetitive against the rest of the world. It will most likely increase emissions as companies relocate to more favorable regimes and end up using less sustainable energy sources.

If you really insist on calling everyone who questions ANY ASPECT of this including policy a "denier" then can I suggest you head over to Open Parachute. You will find lots of narrow minded bigots to hang out with there.

CM

Geoff, I was responding to the denier alarmism expressed in your post. You're not moving to Australia because of this, so don't try to claim otherwise.

I haven't taken a position on the ETS.

I don't 'believe' in AGW. It's what the science shows. Nothing to do with belief.

Geoff

"Denier alarm"

Jeez. I was merely expressing my dismay at the idiocy of governments

Seems that is out of bounds too, along with anything remotely critical of the wonderfully ethical scientists.

I expect you trust bankers too? After all, they are the ones who will be getting rich over ETS and carbon trading.

BTW, I heard the word "gullible" is not in the dictionary.


CM

>>>Seems that is out of bounds too, along with anything remotely critical of the wonderfully ethical scientists.<<<

The attacks go way way beyond ethical issues.

>>>I expect you trust bankers too? After all, they are the ones who will be getting rich over ETS and carbon trading.<<<

I don't see them as professionals. I don't hold them to professional standards. I don't see them in the same way at all.

>>>BTW, I heard the word "gullible" is not in the dictionary.<<<

Yeah I remember that one from primary school. It was a good one.

bk

"That's a good idea ..... Because if (if!..even cm has his doubts) there is no climate change, then Aussie won't suffer at all"...


..but pity the poor,old and uneducated left in NZ,drowning(and not from rising sea levels) in a mountain of debt, rising energy/food costs and disappearing industry..
..meantime Australia,Germany,France,and the good old US of A, having realised that the majority of their populace will not accept taxation on the basis of a theory that clearly not has been settled and have deemed it political suicide to take it further..continue to prosper.


..a good idea.

bk

btw cm,i hate the word "denier"..i dont deny climate change ..just your(heroes) interpretation of the mechanism..

Geoff

Richard North reports of 180million Euro fraud involving carbon credits

http://eureferendum.blogspot.com/2010/04/green-jobs.html

It does seem to be a recurring theme.

Even James Hansen agrees that Cap and Trade is a bad idea.

Hello, Nick Smith at home?

CM

>>>btw cm,i hate the word "denier"..i dont deny climate change ..just your(heroes) interpretation of the mechanism..<<<

Selective acceptance of the science (and making it political by infering that I have heroes and therefore don't care about the science) also makes you a denier. Sorry, you don't just get to pick and choose.

CM

Geoff, if Hansen is a joke, then why is it relevant that he thinks it's a bad idea? Doesn't that actually mean it could be a good idea?

Geoff

CM, did I say "Hansen is a joke", or was it you?

AcidComments

"Selective acceptance of the science (and making it political by infering that I have heroes and therefore don't care about the science) also makes you a denier. Sorry, you don't just get to pick and choose."

Actually CM,

It's people like you who're in 'Denial'. You're in 'denial' of the truth, real facts and research. Instead of the Garbage PC Propaganda flawed bogus overexaggerated 'Pseudo Voodoo Science' which is CO2 AGW/CC you believe!

We don't deny climate Change.

It's funny how time and time again proper research. Once again shoots down all the gross exagerations and claims blamed on AGW/CC.

Including as usual the rubbish IPCC WWF Amazon Propaganda claims!

Marengo notes “Since 1929, long-term tendencies and trends, some of them statistically significant, have been detected in a set of regional-average rainfall time series in the Amazon basin and supported by the analysis of some river streamflow time series. These long-term variations are more characteristic of decadal and multi-decadal modes, indicators of natural climate variability, rather than any unidirectional trend towards drier conditions (as one would expect, due to increased deforestation or to global warming).”

http://www.worldclimatereport.com/index.php/2010/04/19/amazing-amazon-analysis/

Falafulu Fisi

CM, I am a proud denier, so your point is ? If I say to you that I am a bank-robber, then it is something that I should be ashamed of. Climate denier is not a crime to be equated to something terrible like raping or bank-robbery.

Can I call you a climate-sucker ? You're easily being fooled by unworkable climate formulas.

CM

Rape?
Good grief man. Have a sit down and nice hot cup of tea.

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